Orion College (the former LaSalle) Closes

alex - that is one goold looking program (or should i say programme?). ten grand!?! wow.

ellis - thanks for the words. i'm working on the "moving on" part.

bruce - i thought i described what i was looking for above. a master's in health service administration with a minimal residence requirement.

thanks,

--marcus issoglio

 

Marcus...

What has to be redeemed? If you want to view your pursuit of a master's degree at Orion to have ultimately have been something for which you must redeem yourself, then you will not only have ultimately wasted your money, but you will continue to waste effort on the efforts towards redemption.

I once came across a rather interesting paper that I later discovered had been done towards a LaSalle (which later became Orion) master's. I don't think the person in question had to later redeem any moral or ethical coupons for having done that work -- it was and remains an important bit of research. I cannot say that Orion/LaSalle had anything to do with the quality of that work (anymore than I can say X has anything to do with the quality of Y's work), but I can say that the person who did the work benefited for having done it, and those who read the paper benefit from the effort involved.

You've stated that you believe that the principles you gained from enrollment in Orion benefited you. You learned a little about the nature of accreditation along the way. If you bring in that coupon, what would you hope for in terms of redemption?

If you publicly recant ever having gotten involved with Orion in the first place, it may win you a few points on DegreeInfo.com, but that won't pay your bills or fill your mind with learnin'. If you defend your decision ... it still won't pay your bills or fill your mind. All that remains to be done is to press on, learn from it, and practice conscientious prudence next time around. Redemption doesn't enter into it. It's about learning from past action, integrating it, and modifying future action accordingly.

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All best in your search,

 

Hi Marcus

I am not well informed about the health field so I am sure my advice is of limited value. The only Masters degree I have come across is the Touro University International program in Health Science/Health Management. You may actually want to start a new thread and I think you will get some reponses that are more relevent. Good luck.

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Best Regards,
Dave Hayden

 

Hi Quinn

While you are right that in the strictest sense Marcus has no need to be redeemed, there is an issue he reasonably wants to address. An unaccredited degree is a hindrance, millstone, often even a time bomb. It can't be used for either employment or academic use. At best it will be ignored and at worst it will stigmatize him. By going back and gaining a legitimate RA degree he can avoid a great of potential grief and difficulty.

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Best Regards,
Dave Hayden

 

Marcus,
An interesting site is www.fhsu.edu they have a MLS with a concentration in Healthcare Administration. And the cost is less than $6,000. Looks at good as any program I have seen. Good Luck! Hope you will keep us posted on your progress.

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Howard Rodgers

 

Dave -

With all due respect, I have hired employees from Touro - I'll pass (pretty good coming from me, right..?).

I checked out the school in London - I'll be sending an application and the one at Fort Hays looked interesting, but i think it was geared for future Nursing Home Administrators.

I found this page - http://www.gradschools.com/listings/distance/admin_health_distance.html - but there are a lot of unaccreditied schools there (Orion is not on the page - just in case anyone was looking, but Bienville is. What's the story with that place? The website is impressive. I wonder if that's where my transfer future lies). You have to admit, the water is a little murky when looking into this situation.

Thanks for the advice.

--marcus issoglio

 

Bienville -- best known as the king of email spam.

As I'm sure you know, Bienville was founded by a former LaSalle Dean (Merle Harton). Though I understand he didn't stay long.

As of early 2000, Bienville U. has been required by Louisiana to pursue DoE-recognized accreditation. See http://webserv.regents.state.la.us/pdfs/2000/mi092800.pdf I wonder how they are doing? Is there a loophole?

There have been other threads on Bienville that you might like to look up, though I could only find one using the forum search engine.

 

Wait a minute. With all due respect, you are 100 miles from anywhere and you have run across a sufficient number of Touro graduates to actually hire more than one of them? I must admit; I am very impressed. What are the odds?

I have been in the healthcare field for more than twenty years, and although I receive hundreds of applications from around the country for employment every year, I have yet to receive one from a Touro graduate. And I’m a big proponent of distance education.


Gus Sainz
http://collegedegrees.tripod.com

 

gus -

i've hired two. both are gone. the other eighteen employees here are glad.

i can imagine what i sound like. yeesh.

--marcus issoglio

 

Gert: As of early 2000, Bienville U. has been required by Louisiana to pursue DoE-recognized accreditation. See http://webserv.regents.state.la.us/pdfs/2000/mi092800.pdf I wonder how they are doing? Is there a loophole?

John: First, a reminder that, as reported last month by the New Orleans Times-Picayune, the formerly-imprisoned founder of LaSalle University, James (or Thomas) Kirk (or McPherson) is now involved in Bienville.

According to the same article, Bienville has not applied to DETC or any other recognized accrediting agency. The only "loophole" here may be the lack of timely enforcement of its own laws by the authorities in Louisiana, which would be disappointing.

 

Ah hah! Yes, I thought I recalled a recent Bienville thread but the search engine didn't find it for me. Here it is: http://www.degreeinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002360.html