Oregon starts labelling "diploma mills"

No

But, apparently, it sure helps.

 

I have a whole brain, I think

600 years ago lots of people "knew" the world was flat. It just didn't happen to agree with the facts.

In this instance the ODA list is - anti-society, anti-the Constitution, anti-tourism, anti-American, anti-DL education, and totally meaningless.

Anti-society? Anti-tourism?? How so?

Costs relating to the ODA operation can be easily extracted from the State of Oregon's annual financial returns.


But then you'll need to analyse the information. Like to give it a crack? You might find "Calculator" (follow your PC's Start -> Programs -> Accessories menu path) helpful.

G

 

Hmmmm

Galanga, would the half brained even know some of it was missing?

FYI Duck, state's don't do financial returns. Businesses do and that is why MBA's take financial accounting and MPA's take budgeting.

 

I think the "Gang of Six," something Hayes actually knows nothing about (or he wouldn't use "gang" in that fashion), should be re-applied to the approximately six degree mill claimers and defenders seen here, including Hayes, who claims two fake doctorates. The other 99% (or so, unlike Hayes, I haven't counted--oh, yeah, neither has he) make up the people who ask about degree programs, discuss accreditation issues, etc.

Made up numbers and made up titles. Man, what a legacy.

(As soon as Hayes quits flaming people these kinds of posts will stop. But considering that's ALL he ever does, don't hold your breath.)

 

Yet another all inspiring post from RC Douglas!
Dr Anatidae (Knightsbridge)

 

Dr. A,

Do you have anything concrete to support your views on the ODA list? I've been pestering you for details. But except for the ODA view of Knightsbridge, I don't know what's driving your reaction to ODA.

G

 

Galanga questioning Hayes: Anti-tourism?? How so?
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Fred: Martha, this summer, let's take the kids and your mom, and spend a few days at Crater Lake Lodge. Then we'll drive up the coast to Portland, see the fantastic children's science museum, and have a terrific meal at Jakes Crawfish House.

Martha: Sounds fantastic, Fred. Then we can head out the Columbia River Gorge, past Bonneville, to Pendleton.

Fred: The kids will love taking that steamboat paddle wheeler up the river to Astoria, and then touring the Tillamook Cheese factory.

Martha: No, wait, Fred, I see here on the Internet that a world-famous scholar in New Zealand says that the Oregon Department of Education is calling his world-famous one-man university in Denmark a diploma mill. I'm not going to set foot in a state that does that sort of thing.

Fred: Right you are, Martha. We're heading for Disneyland again.

 

Dr Bear,

Oh my. I am still laughing on that one.lol

 

Not only has the ODA allegedly single handedly destroyed tourism in Oregon but it has also been alleged that they spent millions of dollars of taxpayer money formulating and publishing a list of degree mills on the website. The DegreeInfo source of this information was understandably reluctant to divulge his source of this information and responded simply that it was obvious.

Here's my big scoop. I thought I should let everyone know that I have reason to believe that Jayson Blair may be the original source for this information. (The reason is that it is obvious.) For those that are unfamilar with Jayson Blair, he may be one of the most famous reporters that has worked for the New York Times in recent times (pun intended). He made a remarkable impression and has left a large impact on the good name and integrity of the New York Times. Jayson Blair has since outgrown the New York Times and has written a book about his years at one of our nation's premier newspapers.

 

As for the "millions of taxpayer dollars" the ODA allegedly squandered, is it possible that Mr. Contreras merely went across the street to the U of Oregon bookstore and bought a copy of Dr. Bears book for use as a reference source?

 

If so, I wish he'd finish reading it before publishing the results....

No one has been more critical of the ODA than me. It's weird to be on the same side (sort of) as the diploma mill shills. (Or, as our lead wag dubbed one diploma mill recently, a "one-man university.") But, as usual, their hyperbole blows away the facts.

I'm all for the ODA calling diploma mills what they are. In fact, my main complaint of "the list" was its propensity for lumping together all unaccredited schools, hinting that there were diploma mills among them. It slurred them all. Also, the list is, almost invariably, incomplete at any given time.

I'd hate to have a doctorate from a school called a diploma mill by the ODA. Doctorates from two of those diploma mills would make one an audacious liar in an environment (such as a discussion group) dedicated to higher education. "Lower education" is more like it.

The ODA list is what it is: an interesting, almost unknown, reference that just became a bit more valuable. But millions of dollars? I'd like to see the receipts.

 

I'd politely suggest that Huffman, Douglas, and their few mates, read the posts on this subject at CollegeHints - far more constructive, far more knowlegeable, lacking animosity, lacking BS, and totally lacking all that is bad about DegreeInfo.
RC also needs to read AED more often if he thinks I've ever been rude to him.
Dr Anatidae (Knightsbridge)
PS Besides studying the Bears' Guide, Contreras also discussed
which schools were Degree Mills with that well known 'expert'
on Degree Mills - RC Douglas!

 

Dr Hayes,

Ummmm are you talking to me? Just curious. I am a member of Collegehints and Degreeinfo. I have never flamed you. I have been very curtious to you and others. Just asking for a clarification.

 

Hi Tireman4
Was definitely not including you in my note - just "The gang of six". I always enjoy your posts.
Dr Anatidae (Knightsbridge)

 

eels and things

You've stated that

...the ODA list is - anti-society, anti-the Constitution, anti-tourism, anti-American, anti-DL education, and totally meaningless.

You've also indicated that you suspect (some) RA universities pay money to influence ODA's policies. But you won't explain how you've come to any of these unlikely conclusions or show any data to support any of your "analyses."

And then you complain about BS at degreeinfo. That doesn't seem very sporting of you. You're not playing by your own rules!

G

 

CollegeHints, where I'm accused of calling people "pigs," then followed by the claim that the threads where I did this were pulled.

CollegeHints, where degree mills are touted (see the quoted author) and advertised.

CollegeHints, where I seem to be a frequent point of discussion, yet I am "banned" from responding.

CollegeHints, where a great number of posts are filled with personal attacks--unsolicited, since they attack people who don't post there. That's compared to a solicted one, like this:

I never called Hayes rude. I called him a thief and and fraud. Perhaps a polite thief and fraud?

There, hope that fit.

As for any discussions with Contreras, I recently wrote to ask why Knightsbridge wasn't on the full list. He placed it there. I have nothing to do with the "diploma mill" label he's since applied. But who can argue?

 

Here's an example posted by Hayes today:

Exactly one week ago I shot an email to Union seeking a copy of the RC Douglas dissertation. I received a very prompt response from their librarian saying that the Douglas dissertation was not yet available electronically, but she would attempt to find a hard copy and post it to me, and would email me again when she had a copy ready to post.

In the next post: The matter is cetainly very intreguing.


Is this the kind of thing you see from a serious academic? See what happens when some fraud buys a couple of degrees?

A regular conspiracy. Intriguing? Can you imagine such discussion over anyone else's dissertation? Can the diploma mill frauds be so threatened as to engage in this kind of discource? Ironically, my findings support the utility of their fake degrees (but for the wrong reasons). They should be citing me in their advertising!

Hayes is just frustrated because he can't steal it. (Like he's admitted trying to do.)

Whatever good work might have developed from his duck stuff, it sure is obliterated by this obsessive behavior, attempted theft, and degree fraud. "One-man university" indeed.

 

I'm not interested in searching CollegeHints and giving them a few hits. They advertise degree mills there. I consider that dishonest and will not support such dishonesty. I seriously doubt that any good information is available there anyway. For example I don't recall you ever posting anything besides opinion and false information that you sometimes even try to pass off as fact. Please prove me wrong and copy the information here from CollegeHints that supports your false assertions made regarding the ODA.

 

Interesting. I am by all accounts a member of that gang and I don't recall ever responding to any of your posts (although I may have). Wonder how I got involved in your "note."






Tom Nixon

 

This is not true. I look forward to Hayes' support for this statement.

I get tired of having this person write these things about me here. He can do it elsewhere (and does) without recrimination. I wonder why it is permitted here?

I see the operator of Knightsbridge has threatened (or strongly suggested, perhaps?) legal action against the ODA.