Oregon Limits Educational Choice

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  1. gmail

    gmail member

    Multumesc Vlad Tepesh !

    La Revedere !
     
  2. russ

    russ New Member

    Re: Tu quoque Filii !

    Thanks, gmail.
     
  3. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    Let's see:

    We now know that you know how to say "Thank you Vlad Tepesh*" and "So long" in Romainian. Of course, anyone who has an english to Romianian dictionary (or logs into an online one) can do the same.

    * - For those of us in the real world, Vlad Tepesh (sometimes spelled "Tepes") was the name of a 15th century warlord used as the model for the story of Dracula. Vlad was know as "Vlad the Impaler, for his oft-used technique of having those he conquered impaled on large poles (sometimes hundreds or thoudsands at a time) to serve as a lesson to any who might cross him.

    gmail: Your inability to deal substantively with anything and your use of Muslim and Romainian homicide to describe text based interactions on an open online forum is truly disturbing. It offers clear evidence by which to judge your educational claims, not to mention your psychological state.

    It would be refreshing if you were able to respond with any degree of coherence to any of the questions and issues that have been put forth to you.

    Tony
     
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  4. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    quote:
    posted by uncle janko
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    You are, sir, outmanned, outthought, outcredentialed, out of your league and out to lunch.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Most deserving and appropriate summary, if ever there was one. Thanks, Uncle.
     
  5. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    ”Ms.” gmail’s poor spelling and grammatical errors appear to be, much like “her” persona, an artificial construct. The “mistakes,” (much like the orthographical idiosyncrasies she shares with a now banned poster) are not consistent nor are they what one would expect from someone with the cultural and educational background “she” claims.

    A review of gmail’s posts on this forum can only lead one to believe that “she” is not interested in making a “point;” “she” (just like the previously mentioned banned male poster that had a penchant for assuming female personae) is interested only in playing the role of agent provocateur.
     
  6. russ

    russ New Member

    Since I have denied several times that I have any connection to KWU and the insinuation keeps being posted, then why in the world would I give you any other information about myself and have someone simply deny that as well?

    I am sharing my experience with you but in a form that is more valuable than a pedigree at the end of my post which could be completely fabricated. This is cyberspace after all.
     
  7. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    The reason it keeps coming up is you continue to extoll the K-W party line with out even one shred of supporting evidence. It is hard to believe any one would continue to do something SO ridiculous unless being paid to do so.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Let's assume that it's true, that you haven't been fooled into making such a stupid decision. That means you choose to associate yourself with the K-WU message? Ugh! :mad:
     
  9. bandm

    bandm New Member

    Kennedy-Western University

    I have been cut a check from my company to start my online studies with K-WU. I have 109 credit hrs at a Oregon accredited community college in Electronic Engineering Technology. I wasn't able to complete my degree back when I first left the school and since then I have a schedule that doesn't allow me to attend a regular college. I live in Ohio now and travel all the time. I have been working in an engineering capacity for 20 years now. K-WU is the only online degree program that offers an Electronic Engineering Course of study. What do you suggest?
     
  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Sorry, russ,

    I don't recall ever seeing you deny any connection with KW. I must have missed it.

    In any event, I take your post here as a denial.

    Sooo...DO you have a dog in this hunt or not?

    Bandm:

    If you really want an ENGINEERING degree as opposed to an engineering technolgy degree and you've decided aggainst KW, there's one DETC outfit, California National University as well as a handful of mostly D/L short residency programs that are R/A and ABET.

    Run a search on this forum.
     
  11. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

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    posted by Bandm
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    K-WU is the only online degree program that offers an Electronic Engineering Course of study. What do you suggest?
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    First, let us be clear about this: KW is nowhere near a university. It is not KWU. It is more appropriately labeled "KW'E'" - "E" for enterprise or entity.

    Secondly, run, Bandm, run from KWE and do not stop running until you have landed safe and sound in a properly accredited school that offers what you are looking for.

    Thirdly, you want to be an engineer, ostensibly a practising engineer, right? - and you want to obtain an unaccredited degree? For goodness sakes, why would you want to do something like that?

    Does your current employer not care? Will your future employer in any state in the US not care? Does the opinion of your (current and/or future) engineering colleagues not matter to you? Do you ever want to pursue professional state, Board or Commission licensure?

    Do you not care about a time bomb ticking in your resume (with KWE on it)? - because frankly, that is what you will be purchasing - a ticking time-bomb on your resume, with KW on it!

    Fourth: I seriously doubt that KWE "is the only online degree program that offers an Electronic Engineering course of study." Look at what M.I.T is doing here - and for free, to boot!

    http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html

    Bandm, there exist other relatively inexpensive and RA or other genuinely accredited opportunities for higher education elsewhere for you to be scammed and bamboozled by the KWE marketing and sales machine!

    Do not do it, please.

    Thanks.
     
  12. JimS

    JimS New Member

    Re: Kennedy-Western University

    Only you can decide if KWU meets your educational, personal and professional needs. For me KWU was the best option, and I am happy with my decision. The professors are great. I have no complaints with the administrative staff. Their prior-learning evaluation process is fair, and (contrary to popular belief on the site) accurate. I am half way through my program and recently went through the formal evaluation (a preliminary evaluation is performed for admission) and had to add one course to my degree program.
    Best regards,
    JimS
    P.S. It will be a miracle if you can see this amongst the personal battles raging on this thread.
     
  13. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Re: Kennedy-Western University

    DETC-accredited California National University offers both a BS and MS in Engineering, with electrical engineering as a specialization.

    http://www.cnuas.edu/

    I'm skeptical of DL programs in engineering in principle (the lab problem), but with the lower-division courses you have completed, it might work. It certainly seems to be a better choice than Kennedy-Western.

    Here's their EE course descriptions:

    http://www.cnuas.edu/Programs/DegreePrograms/CourseDesc/ElectricalEngineering.asp
     
  14. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    In spite of the recent damning and overwhelming and unflattering bombshells uncovered by the US Senate investigations and hearings into the operation of certain unaccredited schools, specifically KW, why are some prospective persons still considering KW as an avenue for college education?

    Let me take liberties to propose a few possible reasons or excuses:

    Some or many KW students or prospective students may be hoping (and praying) that:

    1. No one, currently has read, or in the future will ever read, about the statements of former KW employees and faculty about what they really know, found out, and have told, about KW;

    2. No one, in the future, will remember the KW "diploma mill" mess
    and US Senate and GAO investigations and the recent barrage of
    massive, widespread, and unflattering media coverage;

    3. If some people read or heard about the mess, their false hope is that that all will be forgotten soon enough and that all will return to normal;

    4. That, hopefully, their KW education or degrees do somehow (magically!) have value and are are valid (deemed "valid" where and by whom, I'd like to know);

    5. That a KW degree is better than no degree at all;

    6. That not thinking or talking about a problem will make it go away;

    7. That they have one small, insignificant voice and that they cannot fight KW, the giant;

    8. That maybe KW will change its ways and become accredited one day soon or someday in the future;

    9. That KW is badly misunderstood and unfairly maligned by others (yeah, right!);

    10. That accredited universities and B&M colleges are jealous of, or scared of, what KW is doing or has done and are trying to damage KW (delusions galore!);

    11. That they cannot obtain a degree anywhere but at KW;

    12. That KW offers them the best chance to obtain a college degree ever (maybe they frankly cannot cut it, at legitimate and properly accredited schools);

    13. That it is easier to obtain a degree at KW than at any other
    higher education institution so they might as well not bite the hand that is feeding them (KWE);

    14. That earning a degree in 12-18 months is better than spending 4 years or longer to obtain a bachelors degree elsewhere;

    15. That owning a KW degree pouts them on a par with anyone else anywhere with a 4-year or longer accredited or B&M degree (like I said, delusions galore!);

    16. That, hopefully, they will obtain their KW degree and that no one will ever ask them where they obtained the degree from or care if they found out that it was from the un-wonderful KW;

    17. That KW offers the best chance to have an MA or MS or PhD after their name or a "Dr." in front of their name (more like "Dr. Fraud");

    18. That a KW degree gives them a sense of higher self-esteem and greater worth than one with no degree at all;

    19. That is makes sense to take 5 to 9 courses to obtain a degree
    than to take 40 to 60 courses to do same at an accredited university;

    20. That KW somehow emphasizes the important courses to take while accredited and B&M colleges and universities make one take stupid courses such as "underwater basket weaving" (hey, do not laugh: rationalizing the insane is an art with the school-scammed and the school-scammers!);

    21. That KW is a legitimate academic institution (and my aunt Dorothy graduated from Princeton at the prime age of 12 !!);

    22. That KW is accepted, as KW claims, by and at many "corporate, professional, and academic institutions" - accepted or fooled by ignorance into not knowing the real nature of the beast?;

    23. That all degrees are worth the same;

    24. One may be too embarrassed to admit that one made a mistake in contemplating KW;

    25. One may be too proud to admit that one made a mistake in choosing KW;

    25. One may be thinking that all of this is a tempest in a teapot. It
    shall pass soon enough. No one talks about unaccredited schools or diploma mills forever. They will stop in time. They will tire. They will forget. (Fat chance!):

    26. That KW is a valid, credible, legitimate, acceptable, rigorous,
    respected, academic institution of higher learning; Period. (Don't take my word for it, see the KW glossy brochure for yourself - and get a good day's laugh!)

    26. That one did not send a check or a credit card number to
    immediately receive a piece of paper ("degree") in the mail hence a KW degree is not a diploma mill degree - that's right: diploma mills give you a "degree" for your credit card number, but KW gives you a "degree" after 4 to 9 one open-book exam "courses" so it cannot possibly be diploma mill. Ha!;

    28. That accreditation does not matter. The education one receives, does. (One of the mill shill's popular mantra!)

    29. That when it comes to KW, reality, delusion, hope, and wishful
    thinking, are one and the same;

    29. That a "university" in business for twenty years, as KW has been, cannot possibly be a diploma mill or shady enterprise (as if shysters, scammers and frauds cannot and have not been in business for 20 years or more);

    30. Ok, ok, I have run out of reasons, or excuses, .........

    Thanks.
     
  15. Kirkland

    Kirkland Member

    Russ,

    I think it will be hard to discuss or engage in much constructive conversation regarding KWU here, other than Oregon should smite KWU and any other "entity" that is suspiciously unaccredited.

    Seems to be even on who won the lawsuit... some say Oregon won (KWU grads have to now state their school is unaccredited or something to that effect) but this seems to disregard the other stipulations which clearly make holding and using a degree from KWU now legal in Oregon, a fact that didn't exist before the suit, not to mention the other functions Oregon is expected to perform.

    As an aside, these conversations eventually degrade (as we're seeing in this thread) according to the following process:

    1. Controversial subject floated by poster
    2. Questions & Answers (who are you, what do you want)
    3. Contradictions (point by point with attitude and rolleyes)
    4. Suspicion (why are you asking, where did you go to school)
    5. Pile on (hive effect...)
    6. Eventual accusation of being a shill or paid badguy or some other detrimental or logically inhibiting factor
    7. Poster becomes frustrated, defensive, or irate, responds to insults/insinuations in kind
    8. Accusations of TOS violations raised against poster
    9. Poster leaves
    10. The world is saved from another heretic/shill/degree mill

    You are somewhere around step 6.

    I only mention this if you were simply posting a point looking for a level and measured response and an objective discussion. On the other hand, there have been those who have posted in the past (a certain fellow from Kansas promoting Monticello comes to mind...) who fully deserved the above formula.
     
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  16. bandm

    bandm New Member

    I havn't ruled out K-W but i just want to know if I should?
     
  17. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Back to point #2 and #4 posted by Kirkland above ......

    Btw, and this is a serious question ..... why is it that posters who have something positive (and sometimes, valid) to say about unaccredited schools (almost any of them!) almost always refuse to disclose who they are, where they went to school, etc.

    I am sure there is a good reason for it. I simply have not heard it yet.

    Yes, about #2 and #4 ..... let's stay right there so that we never have to get to #10 (....smile).

    Have a laugh, have a ginger beer! Being a skeptic and a teetotaler is good for you. I guarantee it.

    Thanks.
     
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: Kennedy-Western University

    First, a real university. Second, finding a course of study that meets your needs. Finally, consider alternatives to the second, but never to the first.

    A DETC-accredited degree (like from Grantham) might be a good option.
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Kennedy-Western University

    It's only personal for those connected with K-WU and its ilk. For the rest of us, we don't have a dog in that hunt and can judge it free from personal bias.

    How could my criticism of K-WU, for example, be personal?
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I have no personal connection with KWU. I can't even get a catalog from KWU because I live in the state of California and like many degree mills, KWU will not rip off people in this state because they operate in this state. This is very common for degree mills but I know of zero fully legitimate schools that are worried about accepting students from the jurisdiction that they operate from. Degree mills don't accept students from where they operate because they want to avoid legal problems should the victims complain to the authorities.

    109 undergraduate units from a real school is worth far more than even a Ph.D. from a degree mill. It's worth exactly 109 units more.
     
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