Oregon and CCU

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  1. Nosborne

    Nosborne New Member

    In an earlier thread, I shot my mouth off and "explained" how the State of Oregon could forbid anyone in Oregon from using or claiming degrees from schools that are neither DOE agency accredited nor approved by the State of Oregon. Now I see that CCU is on the banned list.
    I thought CCU was a legitimate, CA approved but unaccredited, institution? If Orgeon bans CCU degrees, what hope has ANY CA approved school got of acceptance?
    Nosborne
     
  2. The Oregon law (ORS 348.609) reads:

    1. No person who has been warned by the Oregon Department of Student Assistance Commission through the Office of Degree Authorization to cease and desist shall claim or represent that the person possesses any academic degree unless the degree has been awarded to or conferred upon the person by a school that: (a) Has accreditation recognized by the United States Department of Education or the foreign equivalent of such accreditation; (b) Has been approved by the Oregon Department of Student Assistance Commission through the Office of Degree Authorization to offer and confer degrees in Oregon; or (c) Is described in ORS 348.594 (2).
    2. The Oregon Student Assistance Commission College Opportunity Board shall adopt, by rule, standards and procedures for responding to complaints about degree claims and for validation of degree claims. Failure of a person to provide documentation of a claimed degree shall be prima facie evidence that the claim of such person to such degree is a violation of this section.
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      ORS 348.594 referred to above reads:
      1. 'School' includes a person, organization, school or institution of learning that confers or offers to confer an academic degree upon a person or to provide academic credit applicable to a degree.
      2. 'School' does not include: (a) An Oregon community college; (b) A state institution of higher education within the State System of Higher Education listed in ORS 352.002; (c) The Oregon Health Sciences University; or (d) A school that meets the criteria and procedures to obtain a religious exemption adopted by rule by the Oregon Student Assistance Commission College Opportunity Board and offers only degrees with approved titles in theology or religious occupations.
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  3. levicoff

    levicoff Guest

    Golly . . . And I thought that CCU was a degre mill. [​IMG]

    (For that matter, I still do . . . BWAHAHAHAHA!!!)
     
  4. Nosborne

    Nosborne New Member

    Well, apparently Oregon agrees with you. They actually LIST CCU as unacceptable, meaning, I suppose, that someone actually DID submit a degree for ODA review.
    Nosborne
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No. Alan Contreras compiled much of that list on his own, I believe. That was my main complaint about it, that it was a partial job. Better to have standards and no list at all than to put some schools on and remove some. I would have preferred a list of those schools that do not qualify automatically, but have been subsequently reviewed and approved. It would obviate conclusions such as yours.

    Rich Douglas
     
  6. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I believe that Mr. Contreras' office lists those schools that have been brought to the ODA's attention and which do not currently meet the standard set by the Oregon statute. That means any school that lacks recognized accreditation, and which has either not sought or been denied Oregon approval.
     
  7. It's Dr. Contreras and I wonder if his degree is Oregon approved :)

    Regards,

    Dick
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Mr. Contreras responded to an e-mail enquiry regarding this very issue, stating that the reason CCU was listed as unacceptable was because they had not sought ODA recognition.

    Other non-RA accredited schools have been accepted, so whether CCU would actually receive approval is uncertain.

    Russell
     
  9. levicoff

    levicoff Guest

    My, aren't we being picky? [​IMG]

    If I recall correctly, his doctorate is not only "Oregon approved," but also approved by the American Bar Association. (I am not aware of whether he has an academic doctorate, but he does hold a J.D.)

    Therefore, either "Doctor" or "Mister" Contreras would be correct, since lawyers are generally not hung up on the doctoral title.

    Nonetheless, I can assure that those of us who have respect for Contreras and his work usually call him, and refer to him as, Alan. Because competence and credibility speak more to a person than title any day.

    Take that, "PE CMfgE." (Relax, Richard, I'm pulling your chain. No offense intended.)

    - Dr. Levicoff
    Who still prefers "Steve"
     
  10. irat

    irat New Member

    Don't lawyers use the "esq." after their name. The J.D. seesm to be a fairly North American invention. I think the British lawyers are looked at as professionals rather than academics. I don't know any lawyers, even those teaching who call themselves "Dr."
    All the best!
     
  11. Nosborne

    Nosborne New Member

    We don't use "doctor" because we are still embarrased by the change of degree title from "LLB", like it is everywhere else in the common law world, to "JD" in the United States only.
    Hey, we practicing lawyers never asked for this! We don't BELIEVE in titles!

    Nosborne, Esquire
    Attorney and COunsellor at Law
     
  12. levicoff

    levicoff Guest

    Now, that's funny, Nosborne! On an incidental note . . .

    One of the areas in which I did much legislative testimony was licensure for professional/mental health counselors. When I testified on this in Pennsylvania, the committee was chaired by a state senator, also a member of the bar, who made it crystal clear that he did not feel anyone should use the professional term counselor except for counselors-at-law. (It didn't matter that it was a common term in counseling, psychology/psychiatry, and ministry.)

    He was otherwise a nice guy, but certainly out of the mainstream.
     

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