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One has to be careful with this type of analysis. While it is exciting to see many people being successful with PhDs from NCU or Walden, we have to see how many of these where actually given the job because the PhD from Walden or NCU. I see that many of the links you posted are for people with Lecturer positions rather than professor positions, Lecturer positions do not require a PhD as most of the time only a Master's is required. There are also community colleges that do not require a PhD. You have faculty that might be already working as full time faculty and used the PhD just for promotion.

Not trying to bring down Walden or NCU but we cannot conclude that because some people have PhDs from these institutions and work as faculty, we can conclude that these positions were gotten after the PhD was granted.

 

I know and I understand.

 

It has been my experience over the last 35 years in this field that nontraditional doctorates are NOT pathways to traditional assistant professorships. That said....

There are many ways to enter academia besides the traditional grad-student-earns-Ph.D.-and-takes-low-level-and-paying assistant-professorship. If a university wants you, they need you to have an acceptable degree so they can hire you. The bigger person you are in your field, the less it matters where you earned your doctorate. I suspect a lot of these people were hired on the basis of their professional accomplishments; the degree ensured their acceptability and not much more.

I have a colleague who is a university president. During her administrative career at that school (and a bit lower on the organizational chart), someone above advised her to get a doctorate. She chose a night school program, earned the degree, and removed that potential objection to her rise. The degree itself mattered little (or even at all); it removed an obstacle. Well, degrees from nontraditional schools (Walden, Fielding, Union, Saybrook, Capella, UoP, JIU, NCU, CTU, Trident, etc.) can serve the same purpose. But using a nontraditional doctorate to enter a profession in which you have little experience or accomplishment--but you want to enter academia traditionally--is folly. But we read a lot of these kinds of inquiries on this board.

 

Same as people asking if a 6K MBA from a DETC school would help them to land a job as managers at a 500K corporation.

Education is always helpful no matter the school you go to. However, traditional education is more than just education as you have take into account brand name of the school, networking, career services, etc.

Non traditional doctorates are not meant for young people trying to get their first job as an assistant professor but for established people working already in academia or industry that just need the check mark to move on.

However, I believe there are still some better brands than others when it comes to non traditional but overall I don't think it changes much if your doctorate is from NCU or Walden. I believe Walden is a bit better because it has been longer but for practical purposes it might not change much for an employer that would know that either NCU or Walden are non traditional online schools that are not included in the rankings.

 

Another thing to watch for are called "Ringers" in academia. These are folks hired without a PhD, often because of connection or affirmative action. Getting tenure even at Southern Arkansas University requires a PhD these days so the ringer is told to get a PhD, any PhD. So they go where the getting is easiest.

The point is that it was not the Walden PhD that got them hired.

 

I agree, many of the people that got tenures with a Walden PhD were not hired originally because of their Walden degree but because their previous professional backgrounds.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the Walden's students are "ringers".

You also have people at community college that got their Walden's PhD just to increase their salaries.

 

Walden

I admit that I have no clue as to the quality of the doctoral education at Walden. It might be excellent. But I can tell you that nobody with a Walden PhD would ever be hired at my school. That's just the reality in the competitive academic market.

 

I have a friend that was an assistant professor at Penn State. He told me that a former student of his asked him if getting a doctorate from UoP was going to help him to teach at Penn State. He told him that Penn State would never hire faculty with a doctorate from the UoP, the student didn't listen and got his doctorate from UoP and apparently is working at Penn State as faculty for its executive MBA. Granted, the position is non tenure but we cannot assume that things will never happen because did not happen in the past.

Miracles happen once in a while.

 

Penn

Ir's idiotic to say Penn State would never hire faculty with Penn PhD

Penn State University - Search Results: %22university+of+pennsylvania%22+PhD+department

 

Notice that UoP stands for University of Phoenix and not University of Pennsylvania

 

Or, maybe--and I know I'm going out on a limb here--the people in question are really talented and valued by their respective universities? Does it really have to be favoritism or affirmative action? Sheesh!

 

I agree, not because someone sit on his or her butt during 5 years at a fancy school means that they will contribute to the school.

If a professor is contributing to the school with research and good teaching, why would you care if the degree is from Walden or NCU?

As Rich mentioned, the more you do for your school the less weight people will put on your degree.

 

UofP

Not where I'm from. Sorry.

 

Academic snobbery is disgusting.

 

But again, this is coming from a guy that claims to have a PhD but cannot do a simple google search. Why bother?

 

In California, the term "U.O.P." has long been used to refer to "University of the Pacific" in Stockton. In fact, they are the official owners of the "uop.edu" address; if you type this into your web browser, you will get the University of the Pacific home page -- not the University of Phoenix or the University of Pennsylvania. The University of the Pacific does not have a national reputation, but it is actually one of the oldest schools on the West Coast, and is well known in-state.

My sense is that the rest of the world now uses UOP to mean "University of Phoenix". I also get the sense that the University of the Pacific is trying to move away from the UOP abbreviation, quite possibly for that reason. They don't seem to use the UOP abbreviation anywhere on their website anymore; the official website address is now "pacific.edu", although "uop.edu" still works too, as noted above.

I've never heard the University of Pennsylvania described as "UOP", but then again I am nowhere near it. I thought the usual abbreviation was "Penn" or "UPenn".

 

I've never heard the University of Pennsylvania described as "UOP", but then again I am nowhere near it. I thought the usual abbreviation was "Penn" or "UPenn".[/QUOTE]

Yes, you're right. "Penn" is preferred, "UPenn," if you must. "UoP?" Don't go anywhere near Franklin Field talkin' that mess, son! (Sorry, but they talk tough over there in West Philly). In any case, we owe it to Ben Franklin to try & get it right, don't we?

 

Well, from Ben's perspective, the correct name was "College of Philadelphia". Apparently it didn't become the "University of Pennsylvania" until 1791, after his death.