Oceania University of Medicine (Online and In Person Clinicals)

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Garp, Mar 17, 2020.

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  1. copper

    copper Active Member

  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm very sorry to hear that, my condolences for your loss.
     
  3. copper

    copper Active Member

    Appreciate it.
     
  4. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Copper, thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I am very sorry about the loss of your in law. I hope people will follow the distancing and shelter in place requirements and not add to the burden of medical staff and risk to others (such as your in law).
     
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  5. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Condolences, copper.
     
  6. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    Condolences Copper, I'm sorry.
     
  7. Nomiki

    Nomiki New Member

    Whew... it's exhausting reading all the arguing. Lets take a look at some areas where we all can agree.

    Look... you need to already have some clinical hours racked up, on top of the school's requirements to enroll in an NP program and complete the program. Some nurses are nurses for 20 years before becoming an NP and some for only a year, it varies. Even is not as a provider, clinical exposure is clinical exposure.
    Medical training is far more standardized, yes this is true. However, when Medicine was developing, it too had the same issues... eventually, nursing will iron the issues of variability in training, out. We can all agree there are sh!t doctors, sh!t nurses. I've seen amazing clinicians come out of doing there med prerequisites at the community college and I've seen shitty ones that come from Yale. I really think it's person to person.
    MD's are human (although some believe they are gods LOL) and make mistakes all the time, especially under the conditions they are forced to work. The residency programs are abusive, the founder of residency programs was a cocaine and morphine addict! Please keep in mind that the number 3 cause of death in this country is medical related; elective surgeries and people dying because of taking meds AS PRESCRIBED from NP, PAs, and MDs. The allopathic medical board is extremely powerful, and will stop at nothing to keep their power. In fact, if you look at where NPs have been blocked to have full practice rights, its always done by doctors who want to protect their $$$. After all, how will they pay back those student loans if nurses are taking their business???
    At the end of the day, when we shop as consumers, we need to keep in mind that these health care providers such as, nurses, NP, PA, MD, DC, ND, are consultants in care that WE plan... not the other way around.

    My problem with copper is that his/her concerns are primarily anecdotal, whereas there are surveys and research out there showing no real difference in health outcomes when seeing a NP or an MD/DO; It just takes a quick google scholar search.
    Everyone on this forum is choked full o nursing and doctor stupidity stories. Going back and forth with those stories don't prove anything.
    In fact, things are starting to skew towards people preferring to see NPs because they seem to take more time with the patients (for now). The problem with anecdotal stuff on the internet is that when you disagree with something, you only have to type out an opposing anecdote and what results is an echo chamber.

    That said, I'll give my own anecdotes. I know DOZENS of doctors who have dissuaded their children from going to medical school due to cost, and due to the changes that are occurring within medicine, the horrible EMR, and the unjustifiable amount of years and testing.
    One retired doc I know sent all three of his kids, one son and two daughter, to nursing school and after a few years they all became nurse practitioners. Smart kids are moving towards NP or PA because they see the insane tuition hikes at the undergraduate and medical school level, and a supposed MD shortage but not enough residencies. More to this, the physician suicide rate is embarrassing and should be a national emergency. When you go to medical school, you're choosing to be suicidal and deep in debt... shame on America!! I think and know, that we can do better. I think programs like Oceania are being laughed at, but people always laugh at innovators. When Stanford medical school and MIT put their lectures online, no one though of it as shameful. If you're driven, you can learn a lot on your own.
    NEWFLASH: ITs ALREADY ALL ONLINE ANYWAY

    Nearly all of these medical schools record their lectures, even the carribean medical schools, and post them later in the day. When I was in school, I noticed that most people who actually went to class struggled. Why is this? Because schools don't want to admit that lectures are antiquated and outdated. Long ago, when no one could afford books, before anyone on this forum was alive, you HAD to go to lecture because the PROFESSOR (who is called so because he professed his faith in Jesus Christ by reading the Bible to the classroom) is the only person who had the book. The students would sit down, and take notes.
    I, on the other hand, read the book before the semester even started, this way I could focus on my clinical training. I was known to do this, to the point where I received emails from my professors asking why I didn't come to class. I would reply, "I'm getting an A in your class... what's the problem?" Some of these doctors were so full of themselves that if I didn't come to class they would take it personally.

    Here is a quote from ben Carson's wikipedia page

    "Carson entered the University of Michigan Medical School in 1973, and at first struggled academically, doing so poorly on his first set of comprehensive exams that his faculty adviser recommended he drop out of medical school or take a reduced academic load and take longer to finish.[84][85] He continued with a regular academic load, and his grades improved to average in his first year of medical school. By his second year of medical school, Carson began to excel academically by seldom attending lectures and instead, studying textbooks and lecture notes from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m.[86] Carson graduated from the University of Michigan Medical School with an M.D. in 1977, and was elected to the Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society.[74]"
     
  8. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Sorry to hear of your loss copper. Within the last 3 weeks, my wife has lost both of her grandmothers to medical issues other than COVID. It is not a good time to lose a loved one due to the restrictions in place to limit the spread of the virus. It has not allowed for the typical family gathering where memories, laughs, hugs and tears are shared. My brother is an ER Physician and is currently under quarantine because he was exposed to a COVID-19 patient in the ER. He and another ER Doc are both showing COVID symptoms but they are mild and therefore they are not being tested.

    In regards to the discussion at hand, I cannot add much value because I have very little knowledge of the medical field. I do know that I prefer MD/DO > NP > PA. Every single time our kids have had a fever we go in and the PA says it is an ear infection. I then take my kids by my brothers and he looks and says there ears are perfectly fine. He said the majority of PA's he has seen will diagnose an ear infection in toddlers when they do not know what else is causing the fever. Whether this holds true everywhere, I do not know, but I do trust his input. FWIW.
     

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