Netanyahu's inevitable next step

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The source you cite, Al Jazeera, is well known for pushing a Hamas-influenced narrative.
    Yes—violence from any side is wrong. It’s tragic when a Palestinian-American is killed by a radical settler, just as it’s tragic when Jewish-Americans are murdered by Palestinian terrorists. And in general, no people should die.
    This cycle of violence in the region goes back over a century, and it will only end when Arab groups abandon terrorism and accept peaceful coexistence.
    The vast majority of Israeli settlers do not engage in violence and would gladly be good neighbors—peace requires both sides to choose it.
    Unfortunately, for every violent extremist settler, there are thousands of radical Palestinian terrorists, some of whom have carried out horrific massacres, including the recent cold-blooded murder of a mother and her children.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Your assertion about "thousands of radical Palestinian terrorists" attacking Jewish settlers per Jewish settler attacking Palestinians is total BS. Another taste of the truth, here you go. There were 7337 Palestinian casualties versus 371 Jewish casualties.

    https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Many attacks on settlers are carried out by Palestinian militants, and some settlers respond with armed retaliation. Both sides perceive themselves as defending their communities
    Palestinians see settlers as living on land they consider theirs for a future state, while settlers view themselves as returning to historic Jewish homeland areas secured under mandate by both League of Nations and UN. Cycles of violence, reprisal, and incitement in schools, media, and politics feed a constant atmosphere of hostility.
    Power struggles between the Palestinian Authority and groups like Hamas mean there’s little effective law enforcement to prevent attacks or prosecute perpetrators.

    But the violence was not constant at today’s levels, and there were periods of relative calm.
    At first, there was a surprising amount of calm — many Palestinians continued working in Israel, markets were open, and settlers and Palestinians interacted more freely.
    1970s–1980s: The settlement movement grew, but violence was sporadic, not daily. Some towns saw good neighborly relations — there are accounts of settlers and Palestinian villagers attending each other’s weddings or helping in emergencies.
    Violence escalated sharply in the 1980s and each decade till now. Terror attacks, stone-throwing, and shootings became more frequent, and Israeli military presence increased.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You’re lumping everything together to create a misleading picture.
    Those casualty numbers mix IDF counterterrorism operations, Palestinian Authority police incidents, and general clashes with the specific settler–Palestinian conflict, which is only a small fraction of the total.

    In just the last two years, the IDF has neutralized a significant number of armed militants — Hamas operatives, Palestinian Islamic Jihad members, and groups like the so-called “Lion’s Den.” Jenin, for example, has become a West Bank mirror of Gaza, with one of the highest concentrations of terrorists and weapons stockpiles. These are not “farmers” being attacked for no reason — they are organized combatants embedded in civilian areas, deliberately escalating violence.

    There reports are virie, left groups empiasise more catualties among civilians, right groups more catualties among combatants. Notjing new. Somemting like 60% combatants 40 % civilians or the other eay around. Also depends on first Intefada or second Intefads time, and now.
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Genocide, followed by apartheid. It's obvious.
     
  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    No, I don't think so. Apartheid would mean that the Gazan Arabs would continue to exist in at least some part of the Strip. That isn't Smotrich's or Ben Gavir's goal. They intend to eliminate that population altogether. ALL of them are to be killed or expelled.
     
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  7. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    More victims of Hamas propaganda here. Should alert Steve. /s
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Their leaders rejected peace and state.
    Gazans choose terrorism.
    They trained the kids to kill Jews.
    A centry of attempts to destroy Jewish settlement and country in the Land of Israel.
    Iran used them, Arab countries used them and abused them.

     
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  9. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Hamas is to blame, they shouldn't attack Israel.
    Burning children while parents watching.
    They Hamas and their supporters brought suffering to Gaza and Israel.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Hamas leadership in Gaza is Apartheid on steroids. Jihadists rule is Apartheid on steroids.
    Free Gaza from Hamas.
     
  12. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Israeli troops shot him. A child. They are shooting people getting aid indiscriminately. It is all part of a larger genocide.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes Hamas has responsibility. Israel has responsibility as well. It is disgraceful to sweep the Israeli responsibility for this starvation under the rug. The USA also shares responsibility for this genocide. For that I am sorry.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    There is major protest in Israel against the war, demanding end of war and a deal to release hostages, it can grow to even larger strike by Aug 17.
    The Gaza City re-taking is set up to begin on Oct 07, a lot of things can happen till then.
    Saudis, Egyptians are urging a deal.

    While there is no genocide in Gaza, Genocide claim is a lie's globally perpetrated, there is serious hardship because of the war.
    In war be it in Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine, Gaza everyone is responsible.
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    If this is truth, which I doubt, it's horrible, no child should be shot at, was it deliberate or was he caught in crossfire with Hamas.
    IDF has clear rules not to shoot at civilians, even stricter rules on shooting children.

    I will check more details about it, I watched this and other videos, tragic death that hamas brought to Gaza.

    Hamas is pure evil, because of Hamas the Gazans are suffering. This boy as precious and Israeli children were murdered by Hamas. How many children killed in Sudan, Syria, all because of Jihadists.
     
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  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Sorry, yes, but not surprised. Although they don't say so, it seems to me that the world is pretending that the Gaza slaughter is an "internal affair" and are therefore unwilling to intervene.
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes Israelis are generally good. The radical far right Israelis are generally bad. Netanyahu and his government are evil.

    I hope this plan to expand the Gaza war is just posturing to put negotiation pressure on Hamas. I doubt it though because I don’t think Netanyahu wants to end the war. He could be quickly found guilty for corruption if that happened.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    War is horrible, people suffer and die in wars. Look at Syria, 300,000 people dead in the first 3 years of war.
    Radical ideologies bring the calamity.
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Very true! Just look at Al Qaeda, Hamas, ISIS, and the radical far right Israeli government.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Radical far right Israeli government is not the same by far as ISIS, Taliban etc.,
    Equating Israel’s elected government with terrorist groups like ISIS, Al Qaeda, or Hamas is a false comparison.
    Terror groups are built on mass murder, religious extremism, and the destruction of others as their core mission. Israel’s government—whether you agree with all its policies or not—represents a democratic system with a spectrum of voices, from moderate and compassionate leaders to more hardline figures. That’s a world apart from the single-minded brutality of jihadist organizations.

    Be it Begin, Sharon, all were willing to compromise for peace.
    Smotrich and Kahanna like ideology is 2% of population.
    Let's hope that war ends soon and hostages released, moderate leadership in Gaza emerges and rebuilding begins.
    All sides suffered and need peace. Hamas and a like need to be restarined, leave,
    They still manage to shoot a few rockets at Israel, today they did, day before yeasturday they did.
     
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