MFA in Exercising Creative Resistance

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's one possibility, another is that they report this way because Donald Trump lies, has a nefarious agenda, has lost all credibility, and is is garbage.

    (Since these aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, I'm also willing to entertain the compromise that both are the case.)
     
  2. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    What nefarious agenda do you suspect?
     
  3. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Profit from his office? I mean, cmon, this one's obvious.
     
  4. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    If it's obvious then you can easily outline for us how he is profiting from the office.
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Dude, I can't even easily outline how Ukrainian guys do it, even though previous clique was blatant. Steal a resort then bill the state for using it as President's office blatant.
    Here's this: https://www.vox.com/2017/6/8/15749592/trump-tax-evasion

    Also, the infamous Steele dossier contained, besides the golden showers, claim that Kremlin offered Trump 4bn Euros in a major state-owned oil company stock. Dossier did not claim he took the bait; but later last year, Russia sold 4.1bn Euro worth of stocks to an offshore contraption that makes it impossible to determine real owners. There are people in the world (Putin one of them) who can make you a real billionaire for the right favour.
     
  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  7. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    That's a good question. SteveFoerster, what is President Trump's alleged nefarious agenda?
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I do not speak for Steve but my own thoughts on the matter are rather simple. I just think he wants to make himself as rich and powerful as possible. Unlike some who might prefer power over riches, I think Trump plans to use his power to make himself rich(er). I don't know if that's actually "nefarious." To me it seems rather commonplace.
     
  9. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

  10. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Please provide one example of a prominent conservative figure who posed with a mockup of the bloody, severed head of President Obama or Hillary Clinton. If you think Kathy Griffin caught heat for her stunt, that would be an Easter pageant in comparison.

    Please provide one example of a prominent conservative figure calling Michelle Obama "a hooker".

    Please provide one example of a prominent conservative figure calling Malia or Sasha Obama "a homeschool shooter".

    Please provide one example of a prominent conservative figure calling Malia or Sasha Obama "autistic".

    Please provide one example of a prominent conservative figure attacking an unborn child (as Chelsea Handler did with Eric Trump's unborn son).

    You can do none of the above, of course, it's just meant to highlight how ridiculous and desperate your arguments have become.

    The modern left is the most hateful, spiteful, bitter, hypocritical, intolerant group of people I've ever seen in my entire life, and hope to ever see.
     
  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You know what exactly you'rte doing with your too-specific goalposts. But here you are:
    https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2011/12/06/more-sexism-from-jason-mattera-on-fox-michelle/184819

    What you are trying to do is trying to deny existence of all the right-wing talk ecosystem. Lame. And while we're at it, please give me an example of any prominent left wing personality calling Barron Trump a "White House dog". You can't, therefore you guys are the most hateful, spiteful bunch of lying liars in the history of lying, covered in covfefe
     
  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    YES, the time he's doing his job could be spent doing something else, so we should be thankful I guess. Only the most of the country agrees that if he spent all his time golfing everybody would be better off.

    As for his bottom line, I would not be so sure. Him hanging his name on a run-of-the-mill scam like Trump University is peculiar. There are people who are billionaires, and also people who run get-rich-quick scaminars (so called "gurus"). There is no overlap, so me thinking Trump is one or the other but not both. So he might be very interested in nice little cash flow like Lago membership fees.
     
  13. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    You're right about that but you asked for one thing and I gave you one thing. There are more available and I think you know that's true.
     
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    As I said: don't be so sure. What does the public really know about his bottom line?
     
  15. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Who the hell is Jason Mattera? I follow politics pretty closely, and I've never even heard of him; hardly what I'd call "prominent".

    Really?

    Who just shot-up a Congressional baseball practice this morning, after making sure it was Republicans he was about to try to massacre?
     
  16. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    No, I did not ask for one thing.
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    First, holy goalpost moving! Second, Jason Whatshisface is a person on teevee (Fox), while I bet you can't remember a name of a print journalist who called Melania a "hooker" without scrolling to your earlier post. And, oh yeah, the guy who called a 13-year-old a "White House dog"? Bill O'Reilly. Should we parse the corpus of work of Rush, Sean or Glenn?

    Really? You use this to score partisan points? Allright then: first, it's quite unusual for a Republican to notice a terror attack committed by a white guy. Second, who he is? Less violent and more inept version of Timothy McVeigh, that's who. Need I remind you that the second biggest act of terror after 9/11 was committed by the right wing militia guy? Come to think of it, Islamic terrorists are faith-based social conservatives.
     
  18. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Spin baby spin! ZING...you are fun to watch I'll give you that.
     
  19. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Nice try; Timothy McVeigh was an anti-government zealot, not a Republican or a conservative activist. James Hodgkinson was as Democrat and liberal/progressive as you're ever going to find.
     
  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You know, they should rename No True Scotsman fallacy "the Bruce". An anti-government gun nut active in the militia movement is not a conservative? While a weirdo with a Facebook page is "as Democrat as you're ever going to find"? Really? Here, let me try it: Hodgkinson is not a liberal, because REAL liberals support gun control. How does this look? Weak? So do your arguments.
    In fact, right-wing terrorism eclipsed left-wing one when Moscow through Comintern stopped financing the latter (of course, it's not above current Kremlin to give a boost to any or both of the nutty fringes, using spare change from their information warfare budget). Neither is representative of the major US parties; it's nutty to suggest they are, so give it a rest. Hodgkinson is promptly denounced by everyone, including Pelosi.
    But I'm glad you abandoned pretending that the Right-wing media misinfotainment is not a hate-filled cesspool it clearly is.
     

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