MFA in Exercising Creative Resistance

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If that were true, there wouldn't be near-daily articles on the way this is impacting higher education. For example, today in InsideHigherEd, there's continued coverage of Evergreen State University being closed because intolerance from the far left of a (progressive!) professor has escalated into ridiculous demands for his termination and now bomb threats, simply because he publicly disagreed that all white people should vacate campus on a particular day.

    Stop being ridiculous. The students at Middlebury and Evergreen aren't being financed by the Kremlin. They simply are steeped in an environment of far left identity politics that is openly hostile (not "suspicious") towards any speech with which they disagree. It's as culty and dangerous as the alt-right.

    And it's wrong to do that, which is why I didn't. But I have to add, if you're so concerned about hasty generalizations, perhaps you should stop using them yourself, e.g., implying that Milo Yiannopoulos represent conservatism.
     
  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I agree with this. There are people, lot's of them college students, who are quite intolerant of free speech. It's the same dynamic as those folks who wouldn't let Coulter speak at Berkeley.
     
  3. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You mean, exactly like this thread? Oh wait, it's not started by "the left".
    You have to define what you mean by "hostile". Calling deplorables deplorable is not being "hostile", it's also speech. Bomb threats, I grant you, are dumb and illegal, and the Left must do better job self-policing.

    I don't know Steve. People who sure look like they represent conservatism were in bed with him up until the pedophile comment. He is hostile to women, minorities, and immigrants - people like this refer to themselves as "conservative". Most are just more polite about it.
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Agree. They should let the irrelevant witch come and talk to an empty room.
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, why are you calling people names? Does name-calling support your political argument? Generally, ad hominem attacks are used only when no other valid argument exists.

    The blood of Jesus washes away our sins, which enables us to enter his kingdom. The eternal destiny of mortal men is not sealed until after the last mortal breath is taken. As a tree falls [in the forest or in eternity], so it lays [forever].

    Ahhhhh politics AND religion in one single post! LOL
     
  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It's just a shorthand for "Coulter said many, many horrid things and promoted despicable opinions over the years, and her popularity is on the wane", followed by the dozen links. Or I can just say "irrelevant witch": shorter, see?


    Sounds about right, so tentative "amen" here.
     
  7. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    And now, this: https://ipolitics.ca/2017/06/05/city-police-call-b-s-on-breitbart-report-of-massive-pro-trump-hill-rally/

    I swear, I didn't even search for this. I know better than believe in the dumb trope that Canadians can't be bigots, so 5,000 Trump supporters didn't stick out too much for me. And yet, it's just one more lie from non-MSM. This, btw, shows the quality of sources you get your information from. Sad.
     
  9. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    You believe anyone pro-Trump is a bigot? Sad.
     
  10. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    All of this raises the following hypothetical question:

    If Stanislav and me again were locked in a room together, which would be most likely to occur?

    1. They would both emerge bloody.
    2. Only one would emerge - the other would be dead.
    3. Neither would emerge; there would be a murder-suicide.
    4. They would both emerge - as a gay couple.
    5. They would be baptized in the Holy Spirit, and both would emerge speaking in tongues.

    Any other delicious possibilities? :rambo:
     
  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    The ones marching to protest condemnation of Islamophobia and "all forms of discrimination"? Either bigots or ill-informed and scared. Functionally the same thing.
    Also, some degree of bigotry is very common.
     
  12. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I think they would radicalize each other and become militant street mimes.

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  13. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    "The marchers gathered to protest the country’s spiraling tax rate, its recent attacks on free speech, and the government’s wild over-spending, Daily Caller reported."
     
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Breibart specifically pointed to Motion M-103, a fairly empty anti-discrimination gesture, as a reason for march. That's what I referred to. It probably has little or no relation to the actual little conservative gathering, because Breibart News was lying as usual. I'm no friend with the Harperite sect (I can't remember the name of a relatively young guy they just elected Leader; Harper oversaw the merger and led the party for a decade), in part because they're not above gently stroking bigotry for votes; but no, they're not all bigots. I still prefer not to vote for them though.
     
  15. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    But you would vote for restrictive speech laws?
     
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    But you would vote for ethnic profiling laws? What a strange, strange question.

    There are laws in democratic countries that restrict speech, like German law banning Holocaust denial, or Ukrainian law banning Holodomor denial. So it's not unprecedented. This concept is problematic though; I prefer to have First Amendment and use it to point out that the deniers or, eg., Birthers are vile, despicable human beings.
     
  17. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    I think a Canadian First Amendment equivalent is a splendid idea. But I don't think you can take what you dish out.
     
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    That would be Section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Cabinet of Trudeau-father is responsible for this one.

    I'm not clear about your point. Are you trying to stand up for Holocaust and Holodomor deniers and Birthers? You thing people are mean to them? I disagree.
     
  19. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    The worst thing you can do with odious people is forbid them a right to speak. Do that and their creed will fester and build, sub rosa.

    So even hideous socialists are free to speak their creed. Not anywhere, at any time as that would infringe upon the freedom of others but still free to speak.

    To be clear, the First Amendment does not grant any rights. The rights it speaks to are implicit in the Constitution proper as natural or God given.

    But we have those ten Amendments known as the Bill of Rights which may have been a mistake. Spelling out those particular rights makes it appear that rights derive from government charter.

    Didn't Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant have some trouble with Canadian officialdom for exercising their right to speak?
     
  20. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Kathy Griffin holds up a mockup of the severed head of the President of the United States.

    Jacob Bernstein of the New York Times called the First Lady of the United States "a hooker".

    Katie Rich, a writer for Saturday Night Live called the 11 year-old son of the President "a homeschool shooter".

    Stephen Colbert makes a homophobic statement about the President and Vladimir Putin.

    Bill Maher insinuates that Ivanka Trump is committing incest with her father.

    Those people are hardly "a handful of Berkeley basement-dwelling career anarchists", rather they are the faces and the embodiment of the modern Left; hateful, spiteful, bitter, hypocritical, and perpetually angry.
     

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