Making use of the NCU Ph.D. degree

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  1. slb1957

    slb1957 New Member

    A NCU press release (http://www.ncu.edu/in_the_news.asp?blog_header_id=284) says that 21 learners will be awarded doctorates in business.

    I am thinking of starting my Ph.D. there next Winter. My long term goal is to move into teaching at a teaching college. I have already taught some. So, I would like to ask any of you recently minted NCU doctorate degree holders if you are planning to move into academia? If so, how was the Ph.D. viewed? How much, if any, stigma was applied to an online doctorate?

    Finally, how would you rate your NCU experience?

    Thanks much, and congrats!

    Sam
     
  2. eric.brown

    eric.brown New Member

    I've just started working on my PhD at NCU, so I can only answer your question about the experience.

    Its been great...I've taken one course already and love the self-paced learning style.
     
  3. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    May be you should looking for AACSB accredited doctorates. NCU is a good option but more teaching opportunities seem to be available for graduates of AACSB accredited schools. However, only foreign schools offer this option in the DL format at the present time.

    The trend seems to be to hire professors graduated from AACSB accredited schools so anything less than that will be hard to sell in the near future.

    The other possibility is to move into a teaching field with lots of opportunities so the lack of the AACSB accredited PhD is less of an issue. Presently, universities are starving for accounting professors to the point that some are willing to hire without a PhD or even without a master's as long as you have a CPA.
     
  4. little fauss

    little fauss New Member

    If you have an MBA or some other advanced business degree from an AACSB school or a respected RA, I don't see why it's not doable at a teaching college. Remember though, you will have forever ruled out research universities and probably even the small-to-mid-sized state schools. But if your goal is to teach at a CC or a small private or very small state school, it can be done with those credentials. They usually don't even require a doctorate, I'd think any doctorate at all--even possibly DETC--would be icing on the cake at such a place. Again, though, I think you'd need to have at least up through the Masters covered at an RA school.

    Here are link to a couple nearby (me) professors at small Christian colleges who have credentials similar to what you describe as your goal, the first one, who received his Masters from Kansas State, is currently working on a PhD at NCU, the second guy is department chair and received his MBA from a non-AACSB RA and his PhD from Walden.

    http://www.centralcollege.edu/fac/lenny.favara/index.html

    http://www.okwu.edu/Brix?pageID=14351
     
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  5. sshuang

    sshuang New Member


    Hi little fauss,

    So based on your experience, you don't really see that much of difference between a DBA from NCU and a DBA from DETC accredited school now that DETC is starting to approve doctorate degree.
     
  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I'm not a NCU graduate but a fellow that teaches at Devry Univesity full time is. His experience is that the PhD was very hard to sell for tenure tracks but he was able to land a position at Devry that saw his online experience as a good thing.

    If you are looking to teach at a private school (Devry, AIU, UoP) then the degree will be open the doors due to the online experience. On the other hand, if you are looking for a tenure track position at a traditional University, you wll have to have excellent contacts to sell the degree.

    I would look for places with a more tested product. NOVA has many faculty members in good Universities the same as the University of Maryland. The price and effort might be more but you are getting a product tested in the market.
     
  7. jimnagrom

    jimnagrom New Member

    Re: Re: Making use of the NCU Ph.D. degree

    This pretty much sums up my experience...the keepers of the gate (the current tenured faculty) are looking for people that mirror their own traditional experience. The ONLY reason I got in the door was that they felet thy needed someone with an RA post-masters degree and vendor certifications (becasue of perceived student demand).

    Don't plan on "moving in academia" with an NCU degree - a few will succeed, but most will not.
     
  8. gwindel

    gwindel New Member

    Ok with all this said I am about to finish up my MBA from Tesas A&M - Commerce and would like to start teaching. The catch is that for UOP, AIU, Devry every other college I looked for would only accept applicants 2 yeara after they have received their Masters Degree so if this is the case I would like to use my time wisley and try to get my DBA or Ph.D in Business Administration.

    So my questions are:

    1. Is there any institutions that will accept a recently gradute with an MBA degree for teaching online that I am missing without the 2 year post graduate stipulation?

    2. What Fully DL DBA or Ph.D degree will help for acadamia? Is there one out there? I know about Toro International University, Walden, NCU, but are any of these worth the time, effort and price to get a foot in the door for full time teaching?

    Thank You,

    Joe
     
  9. gwindel

    gwindel New Member

    One other thing I wanted to mention is that I have been in talks with an advisor at NCU about the difference between the 2; DBA or Ph.D in Business Adminisration and this is what she wrote:

    The only difference is that the PhD requires an oral defense and a graduate level statistics course Joe. I personally would do the PhD.

    Requirements For PhD in Business:

    The Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) degree requires 81 graduate semester units, including 24 semester units in dissertation preparation and dissertation courses. A maximum of 30 semester units in related graduate courses from your Masters in Business Degree may be accepted in transfer. That would leave 51 semester units to complete: 9 courses covering 27 units the remaining 24 is dissertation.


    She did not tell me much except that she would do the Ph.D and one requires a little more then the other. I am still lost for where to go and what to do. Delima Urg. :)
     
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    The PhD is universally recoginized by all, whereas the DBA is unknown, except to those in academic circles. If you want universal recoginition by all, to include those outside academia, then go for the PhD because when you put it on your business card, everyone will know exactly what it is.
     
  11. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    If your main goal is to teach, I would look at Nova or another school that is known for a B&M presence. NCU is a great program but how accepted are they in the academia world...no one really knows.
     
  12. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Usually, the distinction between the PhD and the DBA is that the dissertation for the PhD is more theoretical in nature, while the dissertation for the DBA is more practical and applied.
     
  13. gwindel

    gwindel New Member

    Thanks guys for the information. What is th elink to Nova's DL Ph.D in Business Admin. ? I can not seem to find it.

    Also, why doesn't anyone talk about TUI much at all for their Ph.D opposed to NCU?
     
  14. jimnagrom

    jimnagrom New Member

    Academicaly, TUI has a less-than-stellar reputation - several articles in CHE have mentioned it in a negatively light - making clear that ti was the opinion of the faculty person(s) only - but these are the same faculty that sit on hiring committees.
     
  15. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Nova Southeastern University's DBA programs are here:
    www.huizenga.nova.edu/programs/doctoral.cfm .
     
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  16. gwindel

    gwindel New Member

    Thanks for the link Ted but I still can not seem to fidn the DBA in delivery over the internet or take home DL formtat. I am looking for the DL method of taking the DBA through them but can not seemt o find one. I just see weekend courses at locations nothing DL.

    Thanks again,

    Joe
     
  17. gwindel

    gwindel New Member

    Jim wrote: Academicaly, TUI has a less-than-stellar reputation - several articles in CHE have mentioned it in a negatively light - making clear that ti was the opinion of the faculty person(s) only - but these are the same faculty that sit on hiring committees.



    Does this mean that over the 2 you would go with NCU over TUI? The reason TUI may seem better is they are I believe a AACSP Acredidtated not AACSB but still something, they are RA, they are attached somewhat to Toro Colloge in NY and they actually offer federal student loan programs.

    With all that aside I want to make sure I mahe the best choice about where to go for my Ph.d in Business Admin. Nova sounds good but can not seem to find the information on thier fully 100% DL degree option on their site anywhere.
     
  18. Michael Nunn

    Michael Nunn New Member

    There was some controversy about the quality of their student's dissertations. The Union Institute is also incredibly expensive, more so than Walden, Capella and others. But keep in mind that TUI has a long history and a real campus so I wouldn't say that its reputation is lower than that of a new 100% online school like NCU. In fact, in many circles, programs that require some residency are better accepted than those that are strictly online.
     
  19. gwindel

    gwindel New Member

    I posted this earlier and dont think I have gotten a good solid sense of feedback on this yet so if any of you have any insight please do share with us.

    1. Is there any institutions that will accept a recently gradute with an MBA degree for teaching online that I am missing without the 2 year post graduate stipulation?

    2. What Fully DL DBA or Ph.D degree will help for acadamia? Is there one out there? I know about Toro International University, Walden, NCU, but are any of these worth the time, effort and price to get a foot in the door for full time teaching?
     
  20. gwindel

    gwindel New Member

    Nova does sound like a great Instituion until I read this and inflated my ballon :( No real DL option:

    Is this an online program?

    Currently, our program is not offered online, but rather in a flexible format that can accommodate the schedules of working professionals. Students can choose between taking classes one weekend per month for a three-month period at a number of different national locations, or take our weeklong program, coming to our main campus in Fort Lauderdale, FL three times throughout the year.

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    Do you have any plans to start an entirely online doctoral program?

    Not at this time. Given the nature of our doctoral program, we believe that live instruction is more beneficial to our students.

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    Where are you currently holding classes?

    Weekend classes are held at our main campus in Fort Lauderdale, FL and in Tampa, FL; Orlando, FL; Jacksonville, FL; Atlanta, GA; Austin, TX; Whiting, IN; Los Angeles, CA; Alexandria, VA; and Brattleboro, VT.

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    How much travel is involved?

    This may vary, but students usually attend classes either once per month at cluster locations, or three weeks per year at the Fort Lauderdale campus, or a combination of both.

    Source: http://www.huizenga.nova.edu/doctoral/DoctoralFAQLocator.cfm#FAQ1
     

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