Las Vegas shootings

And the government was trying to take their guns away. Curtailing their 2A rights.

 

That was a government project.

 

The largest mass shooting on US soil probably took place during the Civil War.

 

Agreed. From what I've heard, media are careful to call the Las Vegas shooting the largest U.S. mass shooting in recent history./U].

I assume you are referring to Wounded Knee. Article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre
Yes - Wounded knee definitely all-time worst in terms of fatalities. More shooters.

J.

 

Don't address me as a child, Maniac. I'm 74, FFS. I know those differences. My point: a few actions are needed that might, in aggregate, reduce ALL felonious shootings. Some to curb (mainly) home invasion shootings and some aimed at the possibility of lone screwballs. If you wanted suggestions - and you probably didn't - I could have provided some, but I don't think I'll bother, now. I get the impression no one here wants to hear them.

J. (known on another U.S. forum as "the nutless Canadian retard with no gun.")

 

OK. We're good. None taken, then. Thanks.

J.

 

Chicago is not the best example; but France is.

No full or semi-automatics allowed without some arduous requirements. 1,000 rounds max. I go through that much in a week.
Several recent events used machine guns.

Let's be honest. Most who are vying for more gun laws want all guns eliminated from citizens' hands with some very few exceptions.

Strict laws are irrelevant for those who lack the moral compass in the first place. What makes you think they will care about distant laws when their intent is to murder?

 

They might not care. But guns are much more available when they can be sold legally. Also, not all gun deaths are caused by committed terrorists; many are domestic disturbances, accidents, mental health problems, and suicides. More legal hurdles will deter some of these.
It's not rocket science, jhp. Funny thing is, most gun rights advocates also back abortions restrictions - under exactly parallel logic. They argue, simultaneously, that wider legal access would promote supply and demand, and that it won't. Simple logic theorem states that an inference agent holding two contradictory beliefs would believe anything; maybe it explains Trump.

 

An interesting point of view on the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html

(Stanislav, presuming you are responding to my post, please note I do not read your posts.)

 

Mostly suicide.

 

There are 44,000 suicides per year (plus or minus). The methods vary, some clearly by firearm. I'm not aware of a breakdown. Maybe someone has those stats. I know that a lot of car accidents are actually suicides. A Police Officer friend once told me that whenever you hear about a single car accident, especially at night, the first thought of the investigating Officer is "Was this a suicide?" Very common, difficult to prove. If I had to guess I'd say that most firearm deaths were robberies/drug-related but I have no idea if that's true.

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html


There's a graph in this article from the CDC that shows more people die from gun suicide than they do from gun homicide.

 

There's a new report that the shooter had books rooms overlooking Lollapalooza last August. He no-showed.

Stephen Paddock Booked Hotel Overlooking Lollapalooza 2 Months Before Vegas Massacre | TMZ.com

 

In Canada, it's even more stark: From article linked below: "In Canada, about 80 per cent of firearm-related deaths are suicides."

Article showing some holes in the typical Canadian perspective. Regardless, I do feel safer here. Much safer. I haven't been across the border in 20+ years. I used to go whenever I felt like a really good meal, or a favourite star, e.g. B.B. King, Dizzy Gillespie, Buddy Guy, was playing in the area. No more. https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/why-canada-has-a-gun-problem/article29642837/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

J.

 

Two lists of suicide rates per nation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

I'd take those figures with at least a few grains of salt as we can't know the methodology, accuracy or honesty of the figures.

 

Indeed we can't. But I'll take gun suicide numbers (which were under discussion) at oh - pretty near face value. A person shoots another, who dies: not suicide. Shoots self = suicide. Accidents do happen, of course, in both categories.

Overall suicides - I agree, numbers can be fudged to a greater degree - but we were "sticking to our guns" to the exclusion of all other suicides - or at least I thought so.

 

I gave credit to the late, unlamented mayor of NYC, John Vliet Lindsay, for at least one thing. He recognized that crime was being underreported. The system he found was precinct commanders being graded for how much crime/serious crime occurred in their precincts. That led to crimes being downgraded or nor recorded. Just perhaps, an ambiguous death might be recorded as suicide with no further investigation.

That's just one possibility.