Johnson University: PhD in Leadership Studies

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  2. TEKMAN

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    Looks like the cheapest RA PhD program that is 100% online. They received approval to start offering the program in June 2011. Also, I read somewhere on their website that they'll consider, on a case by case basis, non-RA master's degree for admission into the program. I won't be surprised if they'll also accept some transfer credits from NA doctoral programs/schools. I suspect we'll start seeing more online PhDs from "real schools" that understand that offering a PhD or other doctoral degrees does not mean you should charge your students $70k; especially, considering that the students do all the learning by themselves.
     
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    What is your definition of a real school?
     
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    I am sure Cyber defines "real school" as school with B&M.

    Well, it is part of their cashcow...most of the programs require independent researches; therefore, if they offer a Master degree courses, why's not Doctorate. For example, Doctorate at Columbia University. Just 30 credits from the Master degree courses (after earning a Master degree) plus 4 courses in dissertation...wahla!
     
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    So UoP, Kaplen, and AIU would be "real" and AMU, NCU, and Capella would be - what - fake?
     
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    I would define it further. Not just a physical campus. (And UOP doesn't even really have a "main" campus. The Phoenix site is just a larger version of their other sites.)

    I would define a B&M campus as a traditional campus with residential students.
     
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    I do not agree that a "traditional campus" is the only definition. Maybe I am too forward thinking to set those artificial limits.
     
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    So community colleges aren't real schools? UMUC isn't a real school? Fielding and Saybrook aren't real either? :rolleyes:
     
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    I actually used the term B&M instead of "real" because I don't think that online universities are "unreal" per se, but they are different. I should have been clearer in my response.

    Community colleges are different animals, but I was referring primarily to B&M universities/four-year colleges. Once again, I apologize not for being clearer.

    My point is that having a physical location doesn't make something a B&M university. There really needs to be a "butt in the seat" kind of focus with a centralized faculty.

    UOP, for instance, just runs a big version of their ground campuses in Phoenix. It's not a research center, a center for faculty, or anything else.

    Grand Canyon University, however, does have such a campus.

    Although not a perfect test---does the university have athletic teams? Where do they play? That's generally the main campus.

    Professional schools like law schools, seminaries, schools of psychology, are also somewhat different. I would then focus on the centralization of core faculty, etc.

    If your university doesn't have these things, it's probably not a B&M university.
     
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    How else would you define a "brick and mortar" campus?
     
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    Well I do not see the criteria you have above as the only measure. A sports team? I think not. I just do not agree with this, "My point is that having a physical location doesn't make something a B&M university. There really needs to be a "butt in the seat" kind of focus with a centralized faculty."
     
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    Then how would you define a brick and mortar university?
     
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    One with a physical location with classes. It could be a main campus or branch campus or satellite offices.
     
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    I would say the issue comes with what came first, a corporate/online school that branched out to having campuses (or satellite locations) to get market share or a traditional brick and mortar school who began offering online courses. Obviously, how the real world (probably don't care either way) and how academia (obviously prefer traditional school) perceive them will be different.
     
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    My undergrad alma mater (Curry College) is a generic liberal arts college with an absolutely beautiful campus, and many residential students who live in campus housing. However, it's certainly not a research center, and the faculty (as far as I know) are not engaged in research, unless they initiate it themselves.

    2 of my alma maters (Quincy College and MSPP) don't have any sports teams at all (unless you count a pickup softball league at MSPP), although both are RA (New England Association), and MSPP also has APA accreditation.

    Ooops.....there are those pesky exceptions again.

    So, if a school has a physical campus, but the faculty doesn't engage in research, it's not a B&M school? Am I understanding your point correctly?
     
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    Centralized faculty, residential students, etc. It's B&M.

    Research isn't the sine qua non of a B&M campus, but if your campus has a research focus, it's almost certainly a B&M campus.

    That's why I said it wasn't a perfect test. The idea is that if there is a team, where they play is usually considered the "main" campus. If you do have sports teams, you are definitely a B&M campus though. It's pretty hard to have online sports.

    There are exceptions to almost every rule.

    When people talk about a B&M school, in most cases they are not referring to a store-front campus. They are talking about academic buildings, residence life, student centers, athletic facilities, etc. Not every school will have every one of these, but there is a strong qualitative difference between extension-style campuses in rented office space and a full campus dedicated to the operation of a university.

    I work on an extension campus of a B&M university. The main campus has sports, academic buildings, dorms, etc. The extension campus has none of these. We have space for offices and classrooms--that's it.

    No, research is only one element. If the campus is a research center it is probably a B&M school. If not, it might be, or it might not be.

    My central point is that even if a network of extension campuses exist, the question revolves around whether or not there is a real main campus.

    If there is no true main campus, then the extension campuses are extensions of what? A nebulous concept of a "university?"
     
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    And it's not necessary a distinction between B&M and online. I think that's a false dichotomy. I think there is room for a non-centralized university without a real main campus, but I don't think it really fits either the classic "B&M" or the new "online" descriptions.
     
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    I think we looking past the reason for education : intellectual growth. I have a B&M AA degree from Faulkner University (butt in the seat); a B&M BS in Accounting & the MBA from the University of Alabama in Birmingham (butt in the seat); and a BA in Sociology from Excelsior (a compilation of credits taken at B&M colleges and universities); a B&M Masters in Counseling from Liberty (distance); a B&M Masters in Psychology from the University of West Alabama (online); a B&M Masters in English and Writing from Western New Mexico University (online) and a PhD in Counseling from Capella University (distance). From these schools and degrees I have not experienced a significant difference in the requirements for learning. The PhD required a dissertation which was a challenge, the Masters in English required a thesis, which also was a challenge. So, I restate my thesis: In all of the rhetoric the reason for education is being overlooked - intellectual growth. Butt in the seat, from a distance, or online - does not matter if the objective is achieved. Finis'.
     
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    How about online fantasy football?
     

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