John mccain cancer is ‘godly justice’ for challenging trump, alt-right claims

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  1. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, this writer never read the article that you are referring to. Here are two questions for you:
    - Who made the comment?
    - Exactly what is the verbatim comment that you want condemned or opined?

    Stanislav, when we pray the "Our Father" prayer, we specifically pray the following:

    "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven."

    Please note two important things:
    1. Brain cancer does not exist in heaven.
    2. Brain cancer does not come from heaven.
     
  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Trash article that does nothing but bring attention to a band of crazies who don't deserve it.

    Question; if Trump was diagnosed with brain cancer, and the fringe left lunatics were attacking him with the same vitriol, do you suppose that Newsweek would have covered the story, identifying the loons as "Hillary supporters"?

    Not a chance in hell.
     
  3. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    That's a bizarre subject line.

    I interpret 'alt-right' to mean 'alternative right'. And considering that the 'right' is an extremely diverse grouping (just as the 'left' is), 'alternative-right' raises the question: alternative how?

    I proudly consider myself to be alternative-right, and hence 'alt-right'. In my case, that means that I don't particularly identify with the kind of Republicanism pushed by the Bushes, by Marco Rubio, by John McCain, by certain Wall Street bankers and by Republican-leaning Washington DC lobbyists. Or for that matter, by the so-called "religious right". That's precisely why Donald Trump appealed to me. He ran against the Republican establishment and he's anything but a religious fundie.

    I identify more with the American middle class and its history and traditions. I don't favor amnesty for illegals and open-borders. I don't favor single minded pursuit of globalization, just because it serves Wall Street (and China) even as it harms the interests of millions of American workers. I don't favor quasi-religious adherence to the doctrine of "free-trade", even as other countries (notably China) employ old style mercantilist tactics against us. I don't think that the Republican party's fundamental issue should be lowering taxes on the rich. I don't think that the United States needs to be the world's policeman, if our ostensible "allies" are unwilling to do their share and pull their own weight. I don't think that the US needs to be "nation-building" or trying to remake the rest of the world in our image.

    I'm not a Christian. I certainly don't have any weird theological interpretations of John McCain's cancer.

    And I don't know how hostile leftish individuals can plausibly reduce everyone on the right who disagrees with some aspects of establishment Republicanism to a bizarre and hateful caricature.

    I don't doubt that some fringe voice on the right might have said such a thing about John McCain's unfortunate situation. But he/she didn't speak for me or for anyone like me.
     
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  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    "A band of crazies". I'll take this assessment. Thanks Bruce.

    And oh btw: I fully expect that in your hypothetical scenario, it'll be covered in the media. Especially if Hillary runs again. Let's hope we will never know for sure; I don't want to wish cancer on anyone. Sometimes I slip on Putin though (usually when the daily number of combat deaths on the Line of Contact in Donbass shoots up).
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yes! And that's why one should practice repentance and ask God's forgiveness to count as "Christian".

    This is bizarre argument. "Secret alms giving" does not affect man's public image. I fully admit I base my opinion of Trump on "Trump" the TV character, "Trump" the tabloid personage, and "President Trump" multimedia phenomenon. True, moments of candor in his interviews (the man seems to lack the filter most adults take for granted), "Access Hollywood" tape, and bits of his public biography suggest that the image is largely true - but, OK, none of this is conclusive. But guess what - you voted for the same character. The kids look up to the same character. And that character, "Trump the mogul" from The Apprentice, is prideful and covetous, condescending, and a "habitual fabulist" (liar). Not any model of a true Christian.
     
  6. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    It depends. To some people, "public image" is everything and they openly brag about all the wonderful things that they are doing for others. Are you practicing piety before men to receive praise and accolades from them? If so, then you have received your full reward -- and you'll receive nothing else from the Lord. Conversely, if you secretly give alms, then your heavenly father, who sees in secret, will reward you. Motive is everything. The Lord knows the thoughts and intents of the heart. Click here to read Matthew 6:1-4 for more information.
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    ...which would be relevant to the conversation if we could get the Lord vote in Presidential elections. Of course in this case we could just give Him his rightful place as the King and have no need for the Republic at all. But of course, He doesn't want that at the moment.
    Two questions: does this pass for graduate-level theology at Franciscan U.? Also, is this what you tell yourself to justify voting for a living symbol of hedonism, greed and pride? This could work as a coping mechanism I guess, but you can't fool God.

    P. S. there are politicians who are Christian but most people do not realize it; most of them are Democrat. Like Hillary, who's a Methodist.
     
  8. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, Roman Catholic theology consists of scripture, tradition and the magisterium. Exegetics is used to go deeper for understanding the scriptures. Part of the curriculum also includes training students in catechetics, which is evangelization. That can include using internet chat forums, as well as other communicative mediums.
     
  9. jhp

    jhp Member

    Best line of the "article" is an entire paragraph is ....
    Obliviousness.
     
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) addressed voting issues in the following document:
    http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/upload/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship.pdf

    Stanislav, as a foreigner who is outside the United States, would you please post the commensurate document from your country-of-origin (Ukraine), as well as from the nation you are currently residing in (Canada)?
     
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  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Here you go:
    http://news.ugcc.ua/documents/sinodalne_poslannya_do_vіrnih_ukrainskoi_grekokatolitskoi_tserkvi_ta_vsіh_lyudey_dobroi_volі_pro_suspіlnopolіtichnu_situatsіyu_v_ukrainіnaperedodnі_viborіv_do_verhovnoi_radi_71517.html
     
  12. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, the standards in the Ukrainian Catholic document that you provided clearly demonstrate that the American electoral college made an outstanding and practical choice in selecting Donald J. Trump as the current President of the United States. Also, please remember that President Trump will serve a total of eight years as president, which is the maximum amount of time allowed by law.

    Stanislav, thank you for sharing that and keep America great!
     
  13. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    It seems to me that the fundamental error in this thread is faulty generalization, and doesn't really have anything to do with Christian theology.

    The subject line reads "John McCain cancer is 'godly justice' for challenging Trump, alt-right claims". The original post links to something on a Newsweek website, that quotes a couple of anonymous posts on some internet discussion board.

    The intended implication seems to be that these anonymous writers' personal opinions somehow speak for and represent the views of all of us who don't always agree with the Republican party establishment and favor some sort of alternative to it. (Hence 'alt-right'.)

    That's just stupid. If some of you want me to condemn what was said, I strongly condemn those particular discussion board posts, and not the entire "alt-right". (Of course, that evades the whole purpose of this thread, doesn't it?)

    The additional question of whether Trump is a good Christian is of little interest to me. (I'm not a Christian myself so it's not really my concern.) One of the things that attracted me to him is that he's not a Biblical fundie.

    But this thread does remind me of Jesus' parable of the pharisee and the publican. Two guys go to pray, one a self-righteous pharisee, the other a more obvious sinner. The pharisee is proud that he tithes and performs all his religious duties and isn't like that other guy over there. The other guy prays, 'have mercy on me, a sinner'. Then Jesus asks which one walked away justified.

    None of us can see into Trump's head or know what his relationship is with his god. But we do know that comparing our own religiosity to his and using him as an occasion for virtue-signalling isn't cool.
     
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  14. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    The MSM alternative is to the right e.g. alternative right or alt right

    Yes, it is stupid. However, hurling insults and printing fake news (lies) is the new norm for leftist owners of the MSM. It will take at least two more years for the MSM to change i.e. when there are not enough subscribers to keep the leftist MSM financially afloat, then they will wither away -- and they will be replaced with the alternative-right on the internet, Fox, radio, dish, etc. The alternative to communism is good.
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Neither side has a monopoly on fake news. And it's interesting you say this the week that MSNBC finally beats Fox News in ratings. But who knows, the Washington Times turned a profit for the first time last year since it was founded in 1982, so anything's possible.
     
  16. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Hierophant, as an unbeliever, is astute enough to see, understand and articulate the above. Yet others, who claim to be Christians, cannot see it and are completely blinded and deluded. They rage against reason and imagine vain things. It happened in Jesus' day and it's still happening today. Nothing has changed. It’s interesting how everyone has eyes to see, yet not everyone can see wisdom. To read more about spiritual blindness, click here and then scroll down.
     
  17. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, some of your posts are like a train wreck -- people have to stop and stare in disbelief.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNNiGpn6H5Y
     
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Wow, if ever someone were projecting, this is it.

    Besides, Trump is a living symbol of hedonism, greed, and pride. And that's by design, since he literally turned his own name into a luxury brand.
     
  19. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    He did, didn't he?

    I enjoyed me's twisting of Ukrainian bishops' message. Hey, do you know what cool accessory top practitioners of "corruption, money laundering, double morality and the abuse of power" sported in Ukraine? Paul Manafort. Pricey but worth it.
     

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