J.D. vs Ph.D.

It also has to do with the fact that law is significantly DIFFERENT than other academic disciplines.

One of the major functions of our University system is to do research, publish, and thus further the sum of human knowlege. That's what PhDs DO, and there is no more honorable occupation.

Our Universities are therefore major sources of NEW knowlege.

But in the common law system, the Universities are largely irrelevant to the advance in legal knowlege. Far and away MOST legal development happens in our COURTS. Second in importance are our various legislatures. The law schools can do little more than report to their students what the "real" world is doing. Thus, the JD is the best credential for teaching law because the JD is trained to understand and participate in our legal system which is where the law comes from.

BTW, a Canadian LL.B. is closer to a JD than it is to an English LL.B. and an English LL.B. is NOT the equivalent of the American JD. I've posted on this subject many times before.

Nosborne, JD

 

I should also point out that the Universities in CIVIL law countries DO have a long tradition of directing changes in the law.

Nosborne, JD

 

I would agree completely. But why then fall back on this hokey position about the number of credit hours studied? If they supported their statement in the way you did, there shouldn't be much opposition to their stand. Law really is a practitioners game. But by taking the angle they did they appear as whining and lose a little credibility.

 

And you would think that a bunch of lawyers would see that their argument is neither necessary nor compelling!

Oh, well, I've never liked the ABA anyway.

Nosborne, JD

 

I'd simply like to say that I like all of Nosbornes contributions to this thread. Straight thinking stated clearly.
Jack

 

I concur.

David L. Boyd

 

And besides, I am ALWAYS right!

Well, unless you ask my WIFE...or my mother-in-law...or my ex-wives...or their mothers...or my last boss...or my Spanish teacher...or the client who just got ten years in the pen...

Nosborne, JD
(who is ALWAYS right except when he's wrong!)

 

Note to self: delete Nosborne from the "who to call" file.

 

Replay regarding academic qualifications.

David --

I respect your opinion. Academic qualification have evolved in the US considerably than in Europe, Australia, and parts of Asia. The US market is very competitive and most medical, allied health, and law have decided to go from pure academic degrees to professionals degrees. In the US to enter medical and law schools, one first must obtain a bachelor's degree and write an entrance exam then attend medical and law school for their doctorates. Yes, PhD are usually research degrees, but JD, MD, OD, DDS, DMD and DC are post graduate professional degrees with research built within the courses and no original research is required unlike the PhD.

The ABA and AMA and other accreditation authorities have established that these professional doctorates are equal to their PhD counterpart. These accreditation are the association that licenses these profession. So even if PhD people don't want to believe the equal or not argument it does not matter. PhDs are usually professors in universities and MDs and JDs are usually the physicians and lawyers... different markets.

Kind regards,
Alex

 

Replay regarding academic qualifications.

Jack --

I respect your opinion. Academic qualification have evolved in the US considerably than in Europe, Australia, and parts of Asia. The US market is very competitive and most medical, allied health, and law have decided to go from pure academic degrees to professionals degrees. In the US to enter medical and law schools, one first must obtain a bachelor's degree and write an entrance exam then attend medical and law school for their doctorates. Yes, PhD are usually research degrees, but JD, MD, OD, DDS, DMD and DC are post graduate professional degrees with research built within the courses and no original research is required unlike the PhD.

The ABA and AMA and other accreditation authorities have established that these professional doctorates are equal to their PhD counterpart. These accreditation are the association that licenses these profession. So even if PhD people don't want to believe the equal or not argument it does not matter. PhDs are usually professors in universities and MDs and JDs are usually the physicians and lawyers... different markets.

Kind regards,
Alex

 

Nosborne --


I respect your opinion and agree too. Academic qualification have evolved in the US considerably than in Europe, Australia, and parts of Asia. The US market is very competitive and most medical, allied health, and law have decided to go from pure academic degrees to professionals degrees. In the US to enter medical and law schools, one first must obtain a bachelor's degree and write an entrance exam then attend medical and law school for their doctorates. Yes, PhD are usually research degrees, but JD, MD, OD, DDS, DMD and DC are post graduate professional degrees with research built within the courses and no original research is required unlike the PhD.

The ABA and AMA and other accreditation authorities have established that these professional doctorates are equal to their PhD counterpart. These accreditation are the association that licenses these profession. So even if PhD people don't want to believe the equal or not argument it does not matter. PhDs are usually professors in universities and MDs and JDs are usually the physicians and lawyers... different markets.

Kind regards,

Alex

 

Decimon --

I respect your opinion. Academic qualification have evolved in the US considerably than in Europe, Australia, and parts of Asia. The US market is very competitive and most medical, allied health, and law have decided to go from pure academic degrees to professionals degrees. In the US to enter medical and law schools, one first must obtain a bachelor's degree and write an entrance exam then attend medical and law school for their doctorates. Yes, PhD are usually research degrees, but JD, MD, OD, DDS, DMD and DC are post graduate professional degrees with research built within the courses and no original research is required unlike the PhD.

The ABA and AMA and other accreditation authorities have established that these professional doctorates are equal to their PhD counterpart. These accreditation are the association that licenses these profession. So even if PhD people don't want to believe the equal or not argument it does not matter. PhDs are usually professors in universities and MDs and JDs are usually the physicians and lawyers... different markets.

LLM (Master of Laws) are post JD. These degrees are usually for someone specializing in Taxation law or another area as well as foreign trained lawyers wanting a US degree. The JSD (Doctorate of Judicial Science) degree is pure research degree in law.

Kind regards,

Alex

 

Replay regarding academic qualifications.

North --

I respect your opinion. Academic qualification have evolved in the US considerably than in Europe, Australia, and parts of Asia. The US market is very competitive and most medical, allied health, and law have decided to go from pure academic degrees to professionals degrees. In the US to enter medical and law schools, one first must obtain a bachelor's degree and write an entrance exam then attend medical and law school for their doctorates. Yes, PhD are usually research degrees, but JD, MD, OD, DDS, DMD and DC are post graduate professional degrees with research built within the courses and no original research is required unlike the PhD.

The ABA and AMA and other accreditation authorities have established that these professional doctorates are equal to their PhD counterpart. These accreditation are the association that licenses these profession. So even if PhD people don't want to believe the equal or not argument it does not matter. PhDs are usually professors in universities and MDs and JDs are usually the physicians and lawyers... different markets.

LLM (Master of Laws) are post JD. These degrees are usually for someone specializing in Taxation law or another area as well as foreign trained lawyers wanting a US degree. The JSD (Doctorate of Judicial Science) degree is pure research degree in law.

Kind regards,

Alex

 

Replay regarding academic qualifications.

Rich --

I respect your opinion. Academic qualification have evolved in the US considerably than in Europe, Australia, and parts of Asia. The US market is very competitive and most medical, allied health, and law have decided to go from pure academic degrees to professionals degrees. In the US to enter medical and law schools, one first must obtain a bachelor's degree and write an entrance exam then attend medical and law school for their doctorates. Yes, PhD are usually research degrees, but JD, MD, OD, DDS, DMD and DC are post graduate professional degrees with research built within the courses and no original research is required unlike the PhD.

The ABA and AMA and other accreditation authorities have established that these professional doctorates are equal to their PhD counterpart. These accreditation are the association that licenses these profession. So even if PhD people don't want to believe the equal or not argument it does not matter. PhDs are usually professors in universities and MDs and JDs are usually the physicians and lawyers... different markets.

LLM (Master of Laws) are post JD. These degrees are usually for someone specializing in Taxation law or another area as well as foreign trained lawyers wanting a US degree. The JSD (Doctorate of Judicial Science) degree is pure research degree in law.

Kind regards,

Alex

 

Replay regarding academic qualifications.

Mike --

I respect your opinion. Academic qualification have evolved in the US considerably than in Europe, Australia, and parts of Asia. The US market is very competitive and most medical, allied health, and law have decided to go from pure academic degrees to professionals degrees. In the US to enter medical and law schools, one first must obtain a bachelor's degree and write an entrance exam then attend medical and law school for their doctorates. Yes, PhD are usually research degrees, but JD, MD, OD, DDS, DMD and DC are post graduate professional degrees with research built within the courses and no original research is required unlike the PhD.

The ABA and AMA and other accreditation authorities have established that these professional doctorates are equal to their PhD counterpart. These accreditation are the association that licenses these profession. So even if PhD people don't want to believe the equal or not argument it does not matter. PhDs are usually professors in universities and MDs and JDs are usually the physicians and lawyers... different markets.

LLM (Master of Laws) are post JD. These degrees are usually for someone specializing in Taxation law or another area as well as foreign trained lawyers wanting a US degree. The JSD (Doctorate of Judicial Science) degree is pure research degree in law.

Kind regards,

Alex

 

Rick --

I respect your opinion. Academic qualification have evolved in the US considerably than in Europe, Australia, and parts of Asia. The US market is very competitive and most medical, allied health, and law have decided to go from pure academic degrees to professionals degrees. In the US to enter medical and law schools, one first must obtain a bachelor's degree and write an entrance exam then attend medical and law school for their doctorates. Yes, PhD are usually research degrees, but JD, MD, OD, DDS, DMD and DC are post graduate professional degrees with research built within the courses and no original research is required unlike the PhD.

The ABA and AMA and other accreditation authorities have established that these professional doctorates are equal to their PhD counterpart. These accreditation are the association that licenses these profession. So even if PhD people don't want to believe the equal or not argument it does not matter. PhDs are usually professors in universities and MDs and JDs are usually the physicians and lawyers... different markets.

LLM (Master of Laws) are post JD. These degrees are usually for someone specializing in Taxation law or another area as well as foreign trained lawyers wanting a US degree. The JSD (Doctorate of Judicial Science) degree is pure research degree in law.

Kind regards,

Alex

 

Bill --

I respect your opinion and agree too. Academic qualification have evolved in the US considerably than in Europe, Australia, and parts of Asia. The US market is very competitive and most medical, allied health, and law have decided to go from pure academic degrees to professionals degrees. In the US to enter medical and law schools, one first must obtain a bachelor's degree and write an entrance exam then attend medical and law school for their doctorates. Yes, PhD are usually research degrees, but JD, MD, OD, DDS, DMD and DC are post graduate professional degrees with research built within the courses and no original research is required unlike the PhD.

The ABA and AMA and other accreditation authorities have established that these professional doctorates are equal to their PhD counterpart. These accreditation are the association that licenses these profession. So even if PhD people don't want to believe the equal or not argument it does not matter. PhDs are usually professors in universities and MDs and JDs are usually the physicians and lawyers... different markets.

LLM (Master of Laws) are post JD. These degrees are usually for someone specializing in Taxation law or another area as well as foreign trained lawyers wanting a US degree. The JSD (Doctorate of Judicial Science) degree is pure research degree in law.

Kind regards,

Alex

 

Dear Barry - I do not respect your opinion as you are clearly spamming our board by repeating the exact same response to a thread that is over 8 years old.