IUGS

Any word on International University of Graduate Studies in St.Kitts?

$15,000 doctoral programs.

http://www.iugrad.com/admissions/degree_requirements.html

 

Oregon?

What does Oregon have to do with the price of tea in China?

This link shows it is an accredited University by the authority of the government where it is located. St.Kitts....long way from Oregon!

http://www.gov.kn/default.asp?PageIdentifier=81

 

Re: Oregon?

First of all, if you believe that IUGS is a viable school for you why did you bother to post your initial question regarding there being "any word" regarding this school? Why don't you just go there and obtain your degree without need to ventilate your defensiveness and anger?

In fact, Oregon is considered to have one of the most rigorous protocols of any state in evaluating the credibility of degrees from foreign countries as well as from unaccredited US schools. In fact, they do not perceive degrees from IUGS to be on par with regionally accredited credentials. No more, no less. It has absolutely nothing to do with distance my thick headed friend. In fact, the degree from IUGS will not be acceptable in a number of states such as New jersey, Florida, Michigan and a number of others which will prevent one from obtaining civil service jobs, licenses, etc. In addition in a number of states referring to oneself as a doctor from a school such as IUGS may result in criminal charges!

BTW, your posting a link to St. Kitts to prove that IUGS is accredited is ludicrous. Of course IUGS is listed on this website. So what does this have with the cost of tea in the United States?

 

Great! Hopefully Caricom will do some good! I live in a state that has allowed licensure of graduates of the schools accredited by the government of St. Kitts. Interesting that St. Kitts accreditation process is considered suspect in international circles. Obviously it is suspect in the state of Oregon and apparently a few other states.

My first impression is that a sovereign nation's department of education has the ability to make sound judgements in regards to the accreditation process of institutions residing within its borders. In the case of St. Kitts, I presently don't see any evidence to the contrary. In fact, some of the graduates of the medical schools located in St. Kitts have made excellent physicians in my state.

 

WHO

The W.H.O does not "approve" schools, it simpy provides a list.

"In the meantime, readers are reminded that WHO has no authority to grant any form of recognition or accreditation to schools of medicine or other training institutions. Such a procedure remains the exclusive prerogative of the national government concerned.

December 2005"

http://www.who.int/hrh/documents/wdms_upgrade/en/

 

luck

Simon: However, because you are so absolute in your beliefs regarding the credibility of St. Kitts accrediation process why don't you quit playing devils advocate and attend IUGS. You have made it clear that it meets your needs so the best of luck to you.


Delta: The only absolutes I believe in are death and taxes.
Thank you for wishing me the best of luck and Good Luck to you as well!

 

W.H.O.

The W.H.O does not "approve" schools, it simply provides a list.

"In the meantime, readers are reminded that WHO has no authority to grant any form of recognition or accreditation to schools of medicine or other training institutions. Such a procedure remains the exclusive prerogative of the national government concerned.

December 2005"

http://www.who.int/hrh/documents/wdms_upgrade/en/

 

Re: W.H.O.

However, it appears that the basis for graduates of St. Kitt's Medical schools being allowed to practice in the US is not due to St. Kitts accreditation but to the fact that these schools have affiliation agreements with US medical schools allowing their students to have clinical training in major US medical programs. This affiliation enables these students to engage in clinical training using the American medical model that enables them to apply and sit for US medical practice examinations necessary to practice in the US.

Furthermore, you still have not demonstrated that St. Kitt's accredited degrees from schools such as IUGS are generally equivalent to that of US doctoral programs or are generally acceptable based on their own merits.

 

Re: Re: W.H.O.

I don't have to demonstrate anything. The government of St. Kitts has done so to my satisfaction.
It is my goal to solicit input from people who have attended IUGS and comment on the merits of its programs. You assume a lot!

The medical schools located in St. Kitts are not affiliated with US Medical Schools. When medical students do clinical rotations in the United States they do so at "green book" hospitals and along side U.S. Medical students. I haven't seen any of them indicate they are an affliate medical college but an autonomous institution.
The mere fact their students work along side U.S. medical school students doesn't imply affiliation.

 

Re: Re: Re: W.H.O.

Delta's initial post that opened this thread invites posters to respond to his question as follows:

" Any word on International University of graduate Studies (IUGS)"

Comment: Delta's initial statement above obviously is seeking feedback from ANY poster on this forum regarding this school. If he was so certain regarding the credibility of this school he would not have asked this question to begin with. However, when he subsequently received feedback that did not agree with what he wanted to hear he went on the defensive and then the offensive. Now Delta declares " that it is my goal to solicit the input from people who have attended IUGs and comment on the merits of this program. You ( Simon) assume alot!"

In fact nothing is being assumed because Delta obviously broached the question to ALL posters of this forum for their feedback and he got it! Unfortunately the information he recieved created dissonance for him/her resulting in his becoming contentious.

Let us examine Delta's response to my statement noting that he has not demonstrated the credibility of IUGS:

Delta: "I don't have to demonstrate anything. The government of St. Kitts has done so to my satisfaction."

Simon: Oh really? In fact Delta is making a definitive statement that is not supported or agreed upon by a number of states in the USA (here is a link of another state, Michigan, that lists IUGS as an unacrredited university, http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf)!

So as I initially stated, if Delta feels so confident in his decision why did he bother to start this thread? In fact if he was so confident in his selection he would not had need to ask posters on this forum for "Any word" regarding this school.

Delta: "The medical schools located in St. Kitts are not affiliated with US Medical Schools. When medical students do clinical rotations in the United States they do so at "green book" hospitals and along side U.S. Medical students. I haven't seen any of them indicate they are an affliate medical college but an autonomous institution.
The mere fact their students work along side U.S. medical school students doesn't imply affiliation."

Simon: So, You "haven't seen any of them indicate they are an affiliate medical college..."? Well, Ross School of Veterinary Medicine, one of the medical schools accredited by St. Kitts notes to prospective students that after seven semesters, "you will move on to one of 23 Ross University AFFILIATED (my capitolizations) American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) accredited schools of Veterinary medicine to complete your clinical training".

Let us know how your graduate program at IUGS proceeds.

 

As an addendum to my post above the state of Florida clearly notes the basis for acceptance of degrees (including for licensure in a number of professions such as mental health professions) in that state. Based on their laws and regulations IUGS would not meet their criteria for being equivalent to a US regionally accredited university. Please note that http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=CH0817/Sec567.HTM

 

Simon says

Simon, you are certainly funny and entertaining!

What in the world does a veterinarian school have to do with the price of tea in China?

I'm growing weary. I concede, you won this deteriorated thread of Simon says.

 

Re: Simon says

Delta: Simon, you are certainly funny and entertaining!

Simon: Thank you! However, you omitted very perspicacious and astute as well!

Delta: What in the world does a veterinarian school have to do with the price of tea in China?

Simon: Everything! It is not a "veterniarian school" but a school of VETERINARY MEDICINE! Savvy my manipulative and evasive buddy? So while one school deals with humans and the other with animals they are both schools of medicine. What is clear is that this school clearly has AFFILIATIONS with major veterinary medical schools in the USA. END OF STORY!

However, in order to bring closure to this matter I went a step further. The Medical University of the Americas, located on Nevis and accredited by St. Kitts is a school of medicine focusing on human health and medicine. I contacted the Education International Consultants (978-632-1599), the primary contact and student enlistment group in the USA for this medical school in order to clarify the issue of St. Kitts accreditation of the medical school as a viable and credible accreditation. In addition to determine whether this school had any AFFILIATION with major medical schools in the USA. Below is the response I received which any poster can confirm by contacting this consultant group and speaking with Elizabeth.

1) St. Kitts Accreditation- I was informed that St. Kitts accreditation is not viewed with high regard. In addition, I was apprised that The Medical University of the America's is recognized by the Board of Regents of New York State as well as possessing other recogntions that actually provides this medical school with greater recognition and credibility than their accreditation from St. Kitts, thereby allowing its students to practice in the USA.

2) Affiliation with US medical schools- I was informed that the Medical university of the Americas has AFFILIATION with major medical schools and hospitals in the USA in the form of contractual agreements delineating the responsibility of these schools to provide specific learning curriculums/competencies during clinical rotations as well as delineating the obligations of the Medical School of the Americas. In effect, I was told that the term AFFILIATION is accurate!

Delta: I'm growing weary. I concede, you won this deteriorated thread of Simon says.

Simon: You are growing weary not due to what Simon says or does not, but due to the facts, that you never wished to hear. Your initial objective was to have posters on this forum confirm your wishful thinking regarding St. Kitts being a viable accrediting agency, and that its schools, such as IUGS, were therefore a viable and credible degree granting entity. When you did'nt hear what you wished, you became defensive and then offensive. No wonder you are feeling so weary trying so hard to defend that which is not defensible.

So if any deterioration took place on this thread it was due to your attempt to derail this thread and not to engage in a receptive exchange of accurate infomation.

So Delta, if Texas accepts your degree for licensure then go for it! However for all other posters be very careful when any poster like Delta attempts to prove their point with a disregard for all the facts. Do your homework and research very carefully prior to making any critical education/career related decisions and do not take at face value any generalized claims of credibilty of legitimacy of any accrediting agency or school without corroboration. To do so can result in serious consequences of loss of money, time and personal investment.

 

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So let me get this straight, you are saying that the government of St. Kitts accreditation is worthless unless the school is listed in the World Health Organization and affliliated with a U.S. school?

I guess I am so thick headed I just don't get it?

 

Re: Re: ?

Is there a database with an online link to show what is recognized Internationally? Obviously, this arbitary recognition supports the idea of Caricom to create some form of oversight.