ITT's accreditation in doubt?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/04/21/for-profit-college-chain-itt-faces-yet-another-blow-from-authorities/

And I thought that the Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools had no standards at all.

 

So here's my totally speculative takes on this. ACICS, itself under attack for not doing enough to curb the practices of some of it's member institutions, decides to put on a show by clamping down on ITT. "See? See how good a job I'm doing? See?" Meanwhile, little old ITT keeps doing what they've always done, putting out overpriced courses of such poor quality that no other schools will even accept their credits.

 

ITT... I don't want to overreach and and say all instructors teaching there and all courses are of low quality, but I am familiar with three or four people who can't get any of the State Universities in my local area to touch their credits. When I was in high school the ITT recruiters were pretty aggressive. I feel bad for folks who graduated from ITT in a tight spot, both from a financial (ridiculous cost for an Associates degree) and job (or jobless?) standpoint.

 

Regionally accredited schools not accepting credits from nationally accredited schools is common. It's about the type of accreditation, not the school.

 

Some RA school take some NA credits. No one takes ITT credits so, in this case, it really could be the school.

 

I received my A.S. in Pre-Engineering from a RA Community College. UofM would only take 50% of the credits. MSU and Oakland University would take 100% of the credits. Sometimes I think the credit situation is a snare and a racket.

I taught at ITT Tech for about 4 semesters and I was given approval to use the given curriculum or make my own. I chose to make my own. 20+ years in IE and CAD Design gave them an opportunity to learn real world up-to-date information.

Some student were good, some not so much. But I was able to assist in placing some student in very good quality positions.

 

How do you know if no RA school will accept ITT credits? Did you survey the thousands of schools in the U.S.? It took me a minute to find this.

http://www.devry.edu/d/ITT-Technical-Institute-Transfer-Guide.pdf

 

...and there's this Articulation Agreement with another RA school.

http://www.ashford.edu/static/media/aa_itt_technical_institute_12-13.pdf

I'm not recommending or trashing the school. Suffice it to say, it's another RA school that has an agreement specifically accepting ITT transfer credits.

Oops! Just found the "goldmine" if such it is. There are many other ITT articulation agreements with other schools, e.g. Kaplan, which is also RA. Some clicking on (1) the states and (2) ITT branches here will get you a full list of these agreements.

https://www.itt-tech.edu/articulation/

Wanna go play guitar now....

J.

 

Oh well s*** if Devry takes them they must be good...

 

All right - I did some of the work. I looked at some of the ITT State/school lists for articulation agreements. Many repetitions.

RA schools that were often found on the lists include:

American InterContinental University
Ashford University
Colorado Technical University
Kaplan University
University of Phoenix
Webster University

So... not a total washout, as implied. Some RA schools not only take ITT credits - they signed specific agreements to do so under given conditions.

We'll see what happens, I guess.

J.

 

OK, OK, you got me. Six out of 2500 colleges. I guess you're right. ITT is fantastic.

 

You know that's not the point. ITT Tech's credits don't transfer many places because it is accredited by ACICS. All ACICS schools have this issue. I have not heard an RA school that has a general policy of accepting credits from ACICS schools state that it does not accept ITT Tech credits. If an RA school accepts credits from schools that are accredited by ACICS, then it most likely will accept credits from ITT Tech. One does not need to lie or exaggerate to get the point across that ITT Tech has many issues.

 

Need? No, there is no need. But it's much more fun.

 

Yesterday I received a solicitation in the mail for ITT, there's a campus (small office building) about 30 minutes from me. Never once have I ever inquired about their programs, so I have no idea where/how they got my name & address.

 

Where did I say that? You said "nobody takes ITT credits" and I've proven some RA schools do. Nothing more. Hey, I've been wrong before, too. Once in 1973 and again in 1994!

J.

 

Well ... if you say so. :smile: But wait! There are a (very) few more RA schools with articulation agreements. So far, I've found:

National American University
Bellevue U.
Slippery Rock U. of Pennsylvania
Central Penn College

Add DeVry and we're up to 11; yes, that's a paltry fraction of 2,500 but to give the school its due - it's more than none. And probably, if we surveyed all 2,500, we'd find the odd outlier that once-or-occasionally accepts some credits from ITT Tech. Who knows?

As long as it keeps its ACICS accreditation, that is.

J.

 

It's called "marketing," and its been done for quite awhile now. You can even study it by distance learning!

 

I get all kinds of solicitations from places I've never dealt with - career schools, payday loan companies, you name it. I think it's because I live in a run-down, crummy neighbourhood. They know where their clientele lives. :smile:

For you, Bruce - I'm sure it's for some other reason. Maybe they just bought a mailing list that you are on. I have no idea which one that would be, of course. :smile:

J.

 

ITT makes a lot of $$$$.
Why can't they hire the right employees and apply for RA accreditation in some states.
Start with NC Agency.

 

I honestly thought they were going to somehow blend ITT Tech with their RA school Daniel Webster College in NH.

Why doesn't ITT mentioned to their students to have all their AS degrees on campus, like the Electronics and IT and then shift their students to Daniel Webster where they can get a RA Bachelor or MBA?

Seems it would be a positive option.


Michael