It Had to Happen - St Regis Quack

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  1. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

  2. At least he "knows Jesus".... God help them all, but especially his patients.
     
  3. galanga

    galanga New Member

    charming Dutch Colonial, new roof and appliances

    Isn't it odd that Saint Regis doesn't offer a Real Estate Sales curriculum too?

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  4. He's got a degree from "Canterbury" too...

    If you look closely at the diplomas on the wall behind him on the web link posted in the first post, you'll be able to discern that the biggest diploma is one from Canterbury University, an obvious diploma mill used by "InstantDegrees"... It has a nice frame job though.

    Guess this guy travels with only the top-flight institutions.
     
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  5. adireynolds

    adireynolds New Member

    I guess all that scholarly writing he did for such a rigorous doc program didn't help him much in terms of grammar or punctuation.


    Since when is an Army enlisted military occupational specialty code given to an officer position? Puh-leeze.
     
  6. maranto

    maranto New Member

    He offers the following on his advice page:

    "Disclaimer

    the opinions expressed by Dr. Keefauver at
    best-medical-advice.com are intended for informational
    purposes only, always consult your own physician
    before undertaking any prescriptions or treatments of
    any kind."

    I'm not a lawyer, but disclaimer notwithstanding, if he is answering medical questions and posting medical advice, might that not be considered practicing medicine without a license? Some of the testimonials suggest that he assisted in getting medication (presumably prescription) and issued diagnoses and remedies.

    Is he US based? I can't find any contact info on his site (although the testimonials seem to be from California).

    Cheers,
    Tony Maranto
     
  7. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    You would think that his so called cure for AIDS would be all over the internet.... but I can only find it referenced at online-college info..

    And as best as I can tell, he has his registration information hiden.
     
  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Here in New Mexico, it's not so clear. If he's offering to diagnose an ilness or medical condition, that's practicing medicine. If he's offering "health advice" that's probably not.

    He DOES say "Ask the Doctor" about medical matters but equally clearly states on the same page that his degree is a PhD in Nursing. Is it really misleading? I think so but a jury might not agree.
     
  9. maranto

    maranto New Member

    It seems from a cursory glance that he is trying to confuse the issue (i.e., “Ask the Doctor”, the stethoscope around his neck, "second opinion")... all sound like an attempt to convey that he is a medical practitioner.

    While I agree that he does state the exact nature of his academic background, a look at the letters on his testimonial page indicates that some folks seem to think that they are dealing with a physician.

    If it were me, I would be very nervous about anyone construing anything that I said as medical advice on the basis of my Ph.D. In medical research settings, it is not at all uncommon for Ph.D. researchers to forgo the use of the academic title altogether, just to avoid any confusion with medical doctors (the same goes for RN, Ph.D.s).

    In fact I strongly advised one of my former doctoral students (environmental science) who volunteers as an EMT for his local fire company to never refer to his doctorate in the ambulance or on the job, just because you'd never know when patient would overhear that he was Dr. X and then turn around and sue him for practicing without a license.


    Cheers,
    Tony Maranto
     
  10. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    When the person who blew the local whistle on this blasphemer happens to be the ambassador from an all-mill, all-vituperation forum, there just might be more than one public relations campaign on display in this thread.

    Maybe it's the invisible dissertation league.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Uncle,

    Is the invisible dissertation league like the non Bar Bar ?
     
  12. maranto

    maranto New Member

    I like you, Uncle Janko… you make me look stuff up! I learned a new word, now I can go home :)

    I'm not sure that I followed the joke... "invisible dissertation league"?

    For my own part, I’m much more concerned about the dubious ethics of passing oneself off as a physician… his degree and the nature of his research are another question, but what really peaked my interest was the obvious medical slant. As I said, its something most real scientists will go out of their way to avoid.

    Cheers,
    Tony Maranto
     
  13. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Some dubious docs don't require a diss. Those who pursue dubious docs (like the non bar bar, for that matter :)) sometimes try to legitimize themselves by pointing to a worse quack. What's worse, sometimes the quackers adopt all the tactics of mill shills and hatemongers even though they're at a legitimate unaccredited school (Cal Coast comes to mind, for some reason) which happen(ed) to offer a defective (no diss or equivalent) "doctorate." Bringing up "doc" Keefauver does not legitimize any member of the invisible diss league.
    -----
    BTW, congrats on the progress you are making with Akamai. The latest newsletter is impressive. It's gratifying to see a legitimate "startup" school that bids fair to show that it CAN be done.
     
  14. maranto

    maranto New Member

    Ahh… I think I follow you now. Thanks for expanding on that a bit! Sometimes, I'm a bit slow on the uptake :)

    Cheers,
    Tony

    (BTW, thanks for the kind words! We are slowly trying to construct something of quality… solid programs are made, however, not born. Will keep plugging away.)
     
  15. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    You have been approved for membership in Stanislav's club.

    I have exchanged at leat 100 messages with the good doc on another forum and checked out his website. I was appalled and thought people here would be interested.

    Otherwise I have no point to prove.
     
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I remember having quite heated argument with Rev. Janko on "off topic" forum once. Newertheless, I will be truly honored to belong to the same "club" with him. One thing though: don't process "memberships" to my club, you're not authorised to do so.

    I agree that your original post was on topic here and might be interesting.
     
  17. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    There's also the broadcast (as opposed to the individual consultation) aspect of it to consider. This is not so different from the problems NOLO.COM (where I used to work) had with the state of Texas. Is it illegal to dispense, by "broadcast" methods such as in books or via the Internet, advice that, were it given individually, might qualify as the unauthorized practice of law? NOLO said it wasn't... and ultimately prevailed when it finally got its day in court.

    NOLO addresses the entire issue with the following disclaimer:

    Legal Information Is Not Legal Advice
    This site provides information about the law designed to help users safely cope with their own legal needs. But legal information is not the same as legal advice -- the application of law to an individual's specific circumstances. Although we go to great lengths to make sure our information is accurate and useful, we recommend you consult a lawyer if you want professional assurance that our information, and your interpretation of it, is appropriate to your particular situation.


    The good "Dr." Keefauver's credentials notwithstanding, and also notwithstanding maranto's correct observations about the potential harm caused by the subtle indicators (such as the stethoscope, for example) meant to convey to the site visitor certain things which may not actually be true, what he is doing may not be as clearly illegal as most of us would like.

    I love it when people think around corners -- especially corners that most others don't even perceive as corners.

    The WHOIS record for the domain is:

    Registrant:
    best medical advice.com
    2221 w. sweetbay ave.
    nampa, ID 83651
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    Domain name: BEST-MEDICAL-ADVICE.COM

    Administrative Contact:
    keefauver, christopher [email protected]
    2221 w. sweetbay ave.
    nampa, ID 83651
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    +1.4165350123 Fax: +1.4165312516

    Registration Service Provider:
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    This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords,
    DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions.

    Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
    Record last updated on 13-Oct-2003.
    Record expires on 13-Oct-2004.
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    Domain status:
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    And the domain name resolves to the hosting IP address 216.40.33.117 which ARIN says is owned by:

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    The good "Dr." would appear to be well within the reach of authorities armed either with summons or handcuffs (or both)... that is, were anyone of a mind to actually pursue such a thing. The problem is, as a matter of law, I'm not entirely sure anyone should -- notwithstanding my disdain for what Keefauver's doing, generally.

    Hmm. What to do, what to do.
     
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  18. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Indeed, Stanislav. And I am honored to be associated with you.

    Honorable men can disagree honorably. Dishonorable men are simply disagreeable.

    The small prevarications of defensiveness, in the hands of a dishonorable person, seem to escalate into outright lies, pretended ignorance, claims of being solitarily misunderstood, and eventually sheer hatred.

    Thus Lucius Sergius Catilina.

    "Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina..."
     
  19. Rob Coates

    Rob Coates New Member

    You would have to conclude then that most professional psyc. doctorates (Psy.D.) at RA schools are "dubious doctorates" since the majority don't require a dissertation.
     
  20. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    No, I wouldn't.

    What I said was "Some dubious docs don't require a diss." I did not say "Any and every conceivable doctorate without a dissertation is dubious." I know nothing about Psy.D. programs and have never commented on their requirements, so don't invent opinions of your own and ascribe them to me.

    What "you would have to conclude" is up to you, of course. Perhaps you might care to open a thread and discuss precisely this aspect of Psy.D. degrees, including the greater or lesser respect accorded programs with or without a dissertation or equivalent summary task.
     

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