Israel Attacks Syria

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    What’s going on? Why is Israel attacking Syria? Syria isn’t part of the Iran terrorists bunch. It seems Netanyahu is just being his evil self?
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    No not evil but loyal, Bibi is defending the Druze, who are allies of Israel.

    The relationship between Israel and the Druze community is a unique and complex one, shaped by shared history, military alliance, and evolving political dynamics.
    Population: Around 150,000 Druze live in Israel, mainly in the Galilee, Carmel region, and the Golan Heights.
    Many Druze gave their lives in defense of the State of Israel. Israel is committed to defend Druze and came to help their families in Syria.
    Druze serve in IDF and active high ranks. Strong bond and loyalty between the Druze minority and majority in Israel, some call it "blood brotherhood".
    Most Druze in Israel are citizens, and their villages are fully integrated into the state structure.
    More than 300 people are reported to have been killed in Suweida since Sunday, when clashes between Druze militias and Bedouin tribes erupted.

    The Israeli military began striking Syrian security forces and their weapons on Monday, after they were deployed to the city of Suweida for the first time since Sunni Islamist-led rebels overthrew President Bashar al-Assad in December.
    Israeli Defence Minister Israel Katz wrote on X on Wednesday afternoon that "the warnings in Damascus" had ended and that the Israeli military would "continue to operate vigorously in Suweida to destroy the forces that attacked the Druze until they withdraw completely".
     
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  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That's what Netanyahu is saying. The Druze seem to be somewhat embarrassed by the "unwanted attention".

    Israel strikes Syria’s defence ministry in third day of attacks
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    Israel has said it will not allow the Syrian army to deploy in the south of the country, and that it would protect the Druze community from the Damascus government. Many in the Druze community have rebuffed Israel’s claim of patronage for fear of being viewed as a foreign proxy.

    The Israeli bombing added another complication to an already escalating conflict between Syrian government forces, Bedouin Arab tribes and Druze fighters. More than 250 people have been killed in four days of clashes, according to the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR).
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/16/israel-strikes-syria-defence-ministry-in-third-day-of-attacks-on-the-country?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I hear you, the situation is more dependent on what Israeli Druze communicate/requesting.
    Many Druze from Israel breeched the border and rushing to help their brothers and sisters in Syria, IDF is trying to prevent Israeli Druze from being abducted/kidnaped by Hamas or other terrorists and escalations. This is in addition to helping Druze in Syria, some leaders reached out for Israels protection and even in some vilages raised Israeli flag.
     
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  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It all does seem to be a bit out of control.
     
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  7. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Israel continues to evoke a multi-front war to distract from their genocide.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    But that doesn't make sense. They don't care about world opinion, and they know that they'd be hated no matter what they do.
     
  9. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    This is a kind of defeatist view. They do care about the opinion of others, importantly the US who supplies them with weapons. The US opinion of Israel is the lowest in 25 years.

    But you are right, there is more going on than just that. Netanyahu’s majority is slipping with the latest resignation in his coalition. Additionally the Gaza ceasefire is set to be finalized soon, so he needs to create a new crisis to justify his governance. Thought I am not convinced the ceasefire will be signed. Last time they broke it within an hour.

    The last time Israel called for a preemptive strike, the US supplied them with bunker busters and the world looked away while bombing continued in Gaza.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    What a hypocrisy, Syria terrorists murdering Druze, they executed children in front of their parents.
    Israwl came to defend the Druze, and for a moment they don't trust the Syrias Jihadi terrorists.

    You are fine with Genocide Jihadists do to Druze and other minorities in Syria?
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    U.S. liberals and progressive factions within Israel have been driving much of the legal and political pressure against Netanyahu. Even the October 7th, 2023 attack served — in part — as a means to undermine and remove him. What many don’t realize is that Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar manipulated those who had been engaging with him under the illusion of de-escalation. It wasn't just an intelligence failure — it was betrayal.
    This campaign against Netanyahu can be traced back to the Obama administration and the controversial Iran deal. When Netanyahu publicly challenged the agreement and exposed its dangers, it triggered a long-standing effort by the progressive left, both in the U.S. and Israel, to discredit and ultimately remove him from power. His stance against appeasing Iran and his defiance of progressive orthodoxy made him a prime target.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member




    In mid-July 2025, during an eruption of violence in Syria's southern Sweida province between Druze fighters and Bedouin supported by Syrian forces, allegations of atrocities committed against Druze civilians, including children, emerged
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You don't lose any opportunity to lie about Israel.
    In Gaza it's Hamas, in Syria its ISIS.
     
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    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

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  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israel reviewing incident, says doesn't target religious sites.
    It's horible that such a tall of this war.
    I have no way to stop it.
    But Hamas is increasing their attacks, and as long as war is dragging on, there will be catualties among civilians.
    I'm all for ending this war.
    But Israel will not stop untill some agreement is reached and security insured.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    There are still 50 hostages rotting in underground tunnels, 20 presumed to be alive if it may be called a live.
    How many more Gazans will die because of Hamas?
    Israel is willing to accommodate US proposed deal, but Hamas is increasing the demands all the time.

    Now, to all the Hippocrates that only accuse Israel but turn blind eye to genocide in Syria, because it's Arabs killing Arabs.
    And divert the tread.
    Israel's decisive Syria strikes highlight need for intervention in preventing genocides.
    "For many Jews, the images of Druze men having their mustaches forcibly shaved conjure up memories of the Holocaust.

    Israel’s decision to take decisive action in Syria in an effort to deter attacks on the Druze community has shown that it is possible for countries to work to preempt massacres or genocide.

    In the wake of the fall of the Assad regime, Israel has been vocal about protecting the Druze in Syria. The IDF has acted several times when clashes in Syria between armed groups and Druze fighters led to the killings of Druze."
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    After many months of effort, four researchers have published a study that examines the allegations that Israel is carrying out genocide in Gaza.
    This is a comprehensive and broad 277-page study in which its authors deal with the difficult accusations of genocide, starvation and systematic killing of civilians.

    "The four writers are the historian Prof. Orbach of the Hebrew University, Dr. Boxman, an expert in quantitative research and academic editor, military historian Dr. Henkin and the lawyer Jonathan Braverman, an expert in combat law. The conclusions of the research report are decisive.
    The authors of the study concluded that the allegations of genocide in Gaza are fundamentally unfounded, and so are accusations of starvation and systematic killing.
    The authors do criticize the IDF and the Israeli government for certain actions and harm to innocent people, but when it comes to the heart of the harsh criticism of Israel, repeated accusations about genocide and starvation – they completely negate them.
    The conclusions of the report’s authors led them to harshly criticize a broad coalition of Israeli critics.
    The report of the four researchers in English is very important for the benefit of the discourse abroad and also to the internal discourse in Israel, but it is mainly important to refute the blood libels against IDF fighters who fight in Gaza with courage and heroism."

    The critics are there and even before reading the report already trashing it. As expected.
     
  20. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    What makes this different from the various reports I shared that you said were just Hamas propaganda? Ooh ya, it is because it agrees with your preconceived notions.

    Let’s pick it apart a little.

    The study is titled “Debunking the Genocide Allegations: A Reexamination of the Israel-Hamas War (2023-2025)”, implying it was not investigatory as you imply, but was made solely to defend against genocide allegations. Mind you
    that “proving” a negative as they are trying to do is very difficult and not the basis of a good research study.

    The organization sponsoring the report:
    The Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies (also known by its acronym, the BESA Center) is an Israeli think-tank funded by the Israeli government.

    The study then attempts to use a quantitative analysis to draw conclusions about what is and isn't a geocode: “conducting statistical analysis and distinguishing between narratives promoted by various parties and verified facts”.

    This means they define a genocide numerically and they show that this instance doesn’t meet their own definition. It is flawed in its inception.

    They then dismiss Gaza and UN data in favor of Israeli data on casualties and undermine them all as well as first-hand accounts saying they would be statistically improbable, likely because the data they are using is verifiably incomplete.

    They then justify any civilian deaths using the “Human Shields” argument, claiming a majority of civilian deaths are from Hamas using human shields using some statistic analysis to derive how many deaths are from human shields and not from Israel discriminately killing.

    I would love to read more, but all that is online in english is the executive summary.

    The overall report is based on flawed assumptions from the get-go. It has a very poor methodology that does not follow other conventional studies on the matter. I see why people are criticizing it.
     

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