ICE raids in LA

Trump is unlawfully using the National Guard and military troops against US civilians.

 

Most political pundits on MSNBC agree with you. Most political pundits on Fox disagree with you. The courts will eventually sort that out though. Keep in mind that SCOTUS ruled Trump can’t break the law when exercising his presidential powers. I mention that only to remind you that SCOTUS is stacked in his favor.

 

I mean, Trump himself said it he couldnt do it back in 2020. Gonna be a tough legal case for him.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-said-t-deploy-national-223947002.html

I also recommend avoiding MSNBC and especially Fox News. They are not good sources for information with the latter basically being state-regime media at this point.

 

I’ve seen that video. Hypocrisy doesn’t bother Trump in the least.

I agree that getting news from reliable printed sources is the best.

 

Here you go. The federalized National Guard has begin detaining citizens of LA. That is illegal. Federal agents cannot perform law enforcement duties under the Posse Comitatus Act.

https://apnews.com/article/national-guard-immigration-raids-los-angeles-c9957a0d4ded48e40ce78efb0b7a8fbf

 

Not the peaceful protesters, just the 'hoodlums'

"At least 14 people are facing federal charges tied to rioting during protests that have roiled L.A. in recent days, with alleged crimes ranging from assaults on officers and possession of explosive devices to conspiracy to impede arrests.

Some are charged in criminal complaints with extremely serious offenses — including hurling a Molotov cocktail at Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies last weekend or throwing cinder blocks at federal law enforcement — but others face prison time for extremely minor skirmishes with immigration agents that one former federal prosecutor called "sad and pathetic." No one has been indicted thus far.

Officials with the U.S. attorney's office in L.A. said they expect the number of people charged to increase in coming days, and the FBI has taken to social media asking for the public's help. During a news conference Wednesday where he accused Emiliano Garduno Galvez, 23, of Paramount, of throwing a Molotov cocktail at sheriff's deputies during a Saturday protest, U.S. Atty. Bill Essayli promised more prosecutions would come.

“We are looking at hundreds of people ... we're going to take our time, we're going to identify them," Essayli said. "We're coming after all these people. So let's be clear, this is the beginning, not the end."

In criminal complaints provided by the U.S. attorney's office in L.A., federal authorities accused rioters of blocking vehicles, shoving an agent, grabbing another agent's arm and throwing hard objects believed to be remnants of cinder blocks and rocks toward agents. Among the federal authorities allegedly accosted have been Border Patrol agents.

Federal prosecutors have brought cases against at least 14 people. While Los Angeles police have arrested hundreds this week on a range of offenses, many are still under review by prosecutors."

 

Oh, yes, they can. Always have done. That's in part what the National Guard is for. Don't think so? Take a look at the history of big riots in L.A. National Guard all over the place. On this one occasion, I think the Foxkins are right.

And that's why Newsome is having such "trouble threading this needle", to borrow a phrase from NPR. Donald Trump is legally right, and Newsom is legally wrong. It's very difficult to walk any line when you're not just wrong but IN the wrong.

"Legally" isn't the same thing as "wisely" or "morally" or even "politically popular".

Again, I think Trump has painted himself into a corner, though, and he's going to get hurt.

 

The National Guard cannot perform the duties of law enforcement unless they are called by the governor. A federalized National Guard can only protect federal property. That is the point of the Posse Comitatus Act.

 

Can the national guard protect Federal Agents?

 

Yes, but only on federal property.

 

Not true. The President has the obligation to enforce the laws with any means available that he deems necessary. To the extent any law restricts his ability to do so, that law is probably unconstitutional. Posse Comitatus is probably a dead letter and even if some part of it survives, the Insurrection Act is always available.

Now, you and I might say that what's happening isn't the sort of thing that should fall under the Insurrection Act but that determination belongs to the President, not us.

 

NotJoeBiden, what you stated is a normal talking point. Also part of that is that if the governor had requested the National Guard then they have additional powers. I mention this to let you know I understand you.

Now you should know that Nosborne was (is?) a judge. He knows what he’s talking about on this stuff better than anyone around here.

The issue is that our dear President is breaking rules that no other President has ever broken. It makes it much harder to know and understand what the courts might decide because they have never tested this stuff in court before. We are in legal territory that has never been charted before.

 

By “dead letter”, I meant that no court will try to interfere. If you somehow could force the Supreme Court to rule, they’d declare the matter “non justiciable”.

So why does the Act exist? Ah, that is a part of federal law that doesn’t get enough attention in these highly polarized days. The Act came into being as part of a compromise between the President and the Congress of the day. No COURT can enforce it but CONGRESS can through impeachment and removal.

The Senate could have stopped Trump from gaining a second term but chose not to do so. Once again, Congress is at fault.

 

The courts aren't the only source to restrain presidential power. There's also the ballot box. Might not want to elect a tyrant if you don't want a tyrant. And let's hope we all get a mulligan on that one.

 

Here's a thought...if Trump wished to do so, he could close every so-called cannabis dispensary in the country and use such force as is necessary and available to do it.

As to house arresting the whole country, remember the Covid lockdowns?

 

It's risky to assume that, just because a law has long been ignored, that it will always be ignored. States "legalizing" Marijuana in the face of a federal prohibition is madness. Now, we see why.