Hezbollah peace

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Nov 27, 2024.

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The reality of the situation in Gaza is that it is not the horrible end-of-times existential threat that you seem to think. Of course, October 7 was horrible. However, the only reason Hamas was able to do as much damage as they did is that Netanyahu took his eyes off of the ball in Gaza. At no point in time was Hamas really threatening the existence of Israel. Say that a cease fire was put in place and Israel pulled completely out of Gaza. If Hamas or a different terrorist organization became a threat again Israel would not have any problem sending the IDF back into Gaza and nullify the threat. I'm sure that Netanyahu and everyone in his government knows that. Based on statements by the religious zealots in Netanyahu's government, Nosborne's concern and my concern that these religious zealots want to "cleanse" Gaza of Palestinians is the real explanation for what is at play under the covers. Your statements about threats to Israel's existence really don't make sense in this case.
     
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  2. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    It is a genocide. It always was. Israel wont stop unless they are forced to or they eradicate Palestinians. Whichever comes first.
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It's Middle East.
    While there is no Genocide in Gaza.
    There was one in Syria.
    And the war on Hamas is indefinite.
    Israel will not allow them to rebuild.
    This tragic for Gaza.
     
  4. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    It is tragic. Would be less tragic if Israel would stop bombing innocent people.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israel is not deliberately targeting civilians. Hamas employs tactics that use civilians as human shields, often sacrificing them for their cause. Once Hamas ceases its acts of terror and releases the hostages, the rebuilding of Gaza can begin. This will also create an opportunity for Gaza to become a peaceful and prosperous region.
    That is if radical terrorists don't use it to recover their terror infrastructure.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The source of most of the problems right now in the middle east is Iran. The source of the huge problems in Iran is that the government is run by a bunch of religious zealots. They think that God is on their side and they can do whatever they want because of that. Another big problem in the middle east is that Israel is run by a bunch of religious zealots. They think that God is on their side and they can do whatever they want because of that. Having religious zealots run government is a bad idea.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I agree with the first part of your post regarding the challenges posed by Iran's leadership. However, I believe the comparison to Israel's government in the second half is not accurate.

    Israel operates as a democracy, and while its current coalition includes some far-right members, their influence is checked by Israeli laws and courts.
    The majority party in the coalition is not ultra-right or religious Zionists, and Israel’s democratic institutions continue to function robustly.

    It’s also important to understand the historical and ideological context of the Religious Zionism movement. This movement seeks to blend religious Jewish beliefs with Zionist ideals, emphasizing the Jewish people’s connection to the historic Land of Israel—known by Roman given name as Syria Palestina. While traditional Zionism focused on a secular nationalist claim, Religious Zionism underscores the religious belief in the land being divinely promised to the Jewish people and being inhabited by the Jews continually for 3000 years.

    Although recent judicial reform efforts have sparked debate and concern, they have not undermined Israel’s democratic foundations.
    Comparing Israel’s leadership with it partners from religious Zionism parties to Iran’s radical theocracy oversimplifies the complexities and misrepresents the fundamental differences between the two governments.
    Our President, Joe Biden, has openly declared himself a Zionist, emphasizing his support for Israel's right to exist. It’s also worth noting that Israel's democratic character ensures equal rights for all its citizens, regardless of religion or ethnicity, as enshrined in its laws.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    What you say is true, for the most part.

    Iran is worse. Which I explicitly stated in my post that you responded to. Iran is worse because the religious zealots in Iran have been in complete control for about 45 years. They have removed anyone from the government that is not a religious zealot over the 45 years or so that they have been in power.

    On the other hand the religious zealots ruling Israel have only been in power for a relatively short time. Their rule is not so insulated from government employees with more secular considerations. Also, the USA puts pressure on them. Now I know Biden hasn't done a whole lot but he has continually warned Israel and even delayed some ammunition shipments for a time. The fact remains though that Netanyahu's partners in government are religious zealots and they think that God is on their side and they can therefore do basically what they want to do because it comes from God.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israel wants to be like the West - but their neighbors are not Western.
    Israel aspires to align itself with Western values and standards, but it faces a unique challenge: its neighbors operate under entirely different frameworks.

    The pressing issue revolves around how to enable the safe return of civilians to the northern Gaza Strip without allowing terrorist organizations to reestablish a foothold in the area.
    Such a Hamas resurgence would pose a severe threat to residents of southern Israel and the country as a whole.

    This concern fuels the argument among some that the fight against terrorism must be pursued with greater determination and comprehensiveness to ensure long-term security.

    Meanwhile, mayors in southern Israel are calling for increased budgets to enhance local security infrastructure. They emphasize the need for expanded protective measures and strengthened defense systems, particularly for Sderot and the communities near the Gaza border, to safeguard their residents in the face of ongoing threats.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    "When you break it down, the so-called
    "Palestinian plan" -- a brilliant vision for an
    apartheid state where Jews aren't just
    unwanted but targeted for expulsion or worse
    It's almost comical how this "plan" would turn
    the Holy Land into a place where Jews are
    denied the right to live, worship, or exist, while
    Christians are persecuted, women are
    oppressed, and LGBTQ+ individuals face
    execution under Sharia law. But of course, let's
    all pretend this is a peaceful, just state in the
    making. It's impressive how some people
    conveniently ignore the basic principles of
    human rights to back a system built on ethnic
    cleansing. The moral high ground here is, to
    say the least, hard to find."
    Jewish population in Arab and surrounding countries:

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    Last edited: Dec 28, 2024

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