Help on defining a Diploma or Degree Mill?

Rev. James W. Clifton, PhD
from unaccredited Bethany Bible College and Seminary

well yes, licensed and approved by the Alabama State Board of Education to operate as a degree granting institution

Now I understand why you didn't liked my post about licensed unaccredited schools equated to mills.

Based on your replies
It looks like you forgot a few teachings.

But for unaccredited PhD I can understand.

But the good doctor Ph.D is working on his REAL masters degree
thats DETC accredited, in what

Learner

 

Contrary to what is said about us (DegreeInfo.com) in other fora, we don't automatically excommunicate anyone for having an unaccredited degree. Actually, quite the opposite.

We welcome all viewpoints, as long as they don't shill (recruit) for an outright diploma mill, and I certainly wouldn't put Bethany in that category.

 

Unaccredited religious Ph.D.
Two unaccredited masters degrees.

Learner
http://www.degreeinfo.com/tutorial/article1_2.html

 

Please show me where it says the official position of DegreeInfo.com is to exclude anyone with an unaccredited degree.

I'll save you some time......we don't, and we haven't.

 

I don't advocate to exclude anyone.
I personally have a negative view about unaccredited religious degrees - especially Ph.D's

In a way in my eyes its a deception.

If I was understood that someone needs to be excluded than my apology, this was more directed as response to DR's comments about my views of diploma and degree mills
I think many of such mills use the amendment of separation of law and church.
Also the manner that the replies made shamefull remarks are not really expected from real reverand with real bible knowledge and
follower of the teachings of Yeshua.

This is simply my humble view.
I do view such degrees as Bogus Doctorates.

Regards,

Learner

 

I rather have an intelligent person with an unaccredited degree or no degree as a friend than a mentally challenged, arrogant coward who does not even use his own name or gives any relevant information about himself any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

What gives you the right to question Jimmy's degrees? Did you go to a top tier school? Do you have a PhD, Master or whatever degree? We just don't know. All I know is you are an arrogant little man who likes to belittle others without any consideration for anything but your own amusement.

Too bad I can not and will not curse here or I would really tell you what I am thinking about you.

Then most 7th Day Adventist Universities are mills because they don't seek accreditation. The only thing bogus here is your opinion Sir.

 

Gee Lerner, you cannot even read. Yes, I am working on a master's degree from an accredited school, but, I already have a master's from an accredited school.

As far as Bethany, this has been discussed ad infinitum in the past and that's where I care to leave it.

By the way, your degrees are from.............?

P.S. Thanks, Bruce and Miguel!

 

No thank you needed my friend. Just telling the truth.

By the way it is the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. If you want to sound educated, especially since you can not spell worth jack, at least get your terms straight.

 

You still don't get it, I have the right for an opinion and call the unaccredited religious universities as degree mills.
I think they should award certificates and diplomas of reverend, theologian etc, but not degrees.

This is my opinion and it is supported by the leaders of DL and traditional education field.

Now degree from a school such as Denver seminary for example
is what I call REAL degree in religion.

As to 7th Day Adventist Universities, what can stop them from applying to DETC or other recognized accreditation, why Rabbinical colleges have specialty accreditation for rabbinical studies.
Cant 7th Day Adventist Universities form a body that will be recognized by USDOE or or join one so they can combine RA or NA
level education with their doctrinal education?
I think personally that they use freedom of religion as a reason why not to apply and if they really wanted to provide recognized credentials they would find a way to do so.

Now you are one sided and make a choice to attack me personally,
I didn't attack you or the rev personally, All I have is an opinion about diploma and degree mills.

Some didn't like my opinion so they reserve to low level of name calling and other unrespectful comments.

With such nice individuals one need no wander why my identity is not revealed, whats next you will show up in my home with a torch?

Learner

 

How about an olive branch?

 

Learner -- get real. As the narrator of Lemony Snicket would say, "That's another way of saying 'don't be so silly.'"

You say this: "Also the manner that the replies made shamefull remarks are not really expected from real reverand with real bible knowledge and follower of the teachings of Yeshua."

You say this: "Some didn't like my opinion so they reserve to low level of name calling and other unrespectful comments."

Do you not think that it is disrespectful and shameful to tell a man of God what you say in the first sentence, and do you not think that it is a far stretch to then blame others of making "unrespectful comments" -- as you do in the second sentence? Or do the opinions you hold about how people should talk to one another only apply to other people?

Of course you have your right to free speech, freedom of opinion, et cetera. You have a right to think his or anyone else's unaccredited degrees are whatever you want to thinik of them. But you also have a social responsibility to not antagonize Jimmy with personal stabs about his comptency as a minister. Don't even bother with something telling me that wasn't your intent, or about how next I'm going to say you are "XYZ" or something. I don't think you're XYZ -- I think you're Learner.

So learn.

Jimmy, being a big heart, has extended an olive branch to you, Learner. That's pretty darn big of him. So grow a khui and accept the olive branch and move on.

 

miguelstefan

So its OK to call me all these things.
I'm yet to hear some one come to rebuke these person.
Its whom I meant will show up with the torch not the rev.

As to the rev, accepted, I'm a man of peace.


Learner

 

I have seen charlatans with bogus PhD's collect money and deceive many, they call themselves man of God.

No I don't categorise rev Jimmy, but he has the gather responsibility as a man of God and rev not to attack me for my views of unaccredited schools.

Regards

learner

 

Hi Lerner,

I don't think I attacked you or your views. I simply disagree with them. A disagreement about what is and isn't a degree/diploma mill is not a personal attack unless you make it personal.

Now, Elvis said in one of his lesser known songs, "Let's Be Friends."

 

First, this is a moderated forum. None of us has the right to free speech here. Read the TOS.

Second, many religious organizations can not seek accreditation because their doctrine is incompatible with accreditation guidelines.

Finally, I have seen you been personally disrespectful to Uncle Janko, Jack_A, and now Jimmy. So, don't complain when you get a taste of your own medicine.

Yes, it is ok to tell the truth. But you need not to be concerned about me showing up at your house with a torch. You are not relevant enough for me to trouble myself.

Jimmy, you are a class act.

 

Miguel, Jimmy, please see my post on the "misleading website" thread. To paraphrase a Bearism, Lerner is less-than-constructive. If you challenge, he whines. If you play along, he gets ratified. Refuse to post on any thread where he posts. As I said there, "Let him triumph. But let him triumph alone."
My very best wishes to the two of you.

 

back2cali
"At this time, I have chosen to quit their program"

Good decision. Maybe just review schools mentioned at this site and ask questions. Good luck!

 

But, Uncle, he started it. Just kidding. Your wish is my command, Sir.

Good for you. Now, I think it's time to change your signature. I promise to call you Dr. when you get your credible DBA.

 

My stepfather was a gambler, Lerner. I grew up around cards, dice, coin flips, horse race forms, and quaint little phrases like "ante up", "don't play two hands against the middle", and "always have an ace up your sleeve."

So, here, on the one side of the table we have Jimmy Clifton -- his sleeves rolled up, all his cards on the table. He's got two kings, three queens showing. He's looking you straight in the eye, and he's pushed all his chips to the middle.

On the other side, we have you, in silvered glasses, sleeves all the way up to the hands, hat on, with your collar rolled up, with a king showing, and four cards close to your chest.

You reach for the pot, saying you have a royal flush to beat his full house.

You want me to let you have that pot -- you're going to have to show those cards you've been holding to your chest -- or no can do. (Especially since amongst his queens is the queen of hearts, and the king you've got showing is the king of hearts, buddy.)

This isn't a judgment of you, Lerner. This is poker. Showem or fold.

 

Miguel be my guest and ignore all my posts, UJ this applies to you to. 80% of your posts is negative remarks about people.
your single sightedness is obvious and hypocrisy noted.

Its easy to be popular and form wolf packs.
Its mach harder to stay the course.

If my posts help one person than I'm happy.
The dogs can have the crumbs.

Let Lord be the judge and his will be done.

Learner