Help on defining a Diploma or Degree Mill?

How about we help the fellow move forward?

B2C, see the main forum's MBA DBA help thread. Who knows? Can't hurt.

 

Use your common sense and apply the definition you think fits BSU better.

 

I think if Back2Cali wants help he needs to let us know what he is looking for in a DBA program for starters(e.g. Price, goals,etc) and then perhaps, we can get a good feel for what schools(that are accredited) might fit him/her best.

I agree with FED that transfer of any Breyer courses are unlikely.

Also what are your MS and BS in?

 

Here is a report from the GAO on the subject (CCU gets a raw deal in the report)
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d041096t.pdf

 

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State licensed school viewed as Degree Mills because they are substandard and their degrees require less work and large portions of credit awarded on basis of work/life experience. with a fiew exeptions and real new schools with standards of accredited schools in process of accreditation most are degree miills.

Diploma mills unlike degree mills simply award diplomas "paper merchants" for payment.

Learner

 

The USDE database is woefully inadequate and incorrect.

See my post about it here.

One should use the CHEA database instead.

 

Interesting read.

I noticed the USDE database URL is still listed in your signature line. Is this on purpose or by accident?

 

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You don't know what you are talking about, Rector!

 

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Oh really

So who are you shilling for ?
Are you working for BSU?

I know you can't kill the message so you go for the messenger ha.

One correction I will make to my post that is state licensed unaccredited schools and there are exceptions.
Also depends on state because the laws in some states allow licensing of degree and diploma mills wile others don't.

This is why they move / run from state to state or have offices in overseas and states etc.

YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT so stop pretending.

Any one who wants to know what is mill type 1 or type 2 should
read Steve Levicoffs Name it and frame it.

Learner

 

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Does he ever?

Never trust a man who can not spell his own name.

 

You are correct on my seeking info on SCUps and NCU. I did find that there were relationships between the two from some posts I found back then and talking with them. SCUps was a reasonable tuition cost for me but was only State approved. I felt a State approved program would meet my needs and decided to enroll in the least expensive State approved DBA, which is how I winded up enrolling in Breyer State's.
At this time, I have chosen to quit their program and I may investigate some of the South African doctorals like I believe UNISA is one from a thread I found.
I do not know the whole process of application, but will look into it.
I have enjoyed the comments and interaction, especially from Uncle Janko, who seems very sincere in helping someone in my shoes.
The rest of you can choose to smirk and laugh at my situation, and I probably deserve it as it sounds. I couldnt sleep at all after hearing all of this and it makes me feel depressed and just a sheer lack of motivation. I will have to deal with it and shake it off, find another program I am willing to afford and move on.

Looking foward to hearing more comments.

 

Back2cali,

Don't give up because of this setback with Breyer State....Good luck in finding and completing your DBA.

As for any folks laughing/smirking at your misfortune....ignore 'em and move on.

Regards
Eric

 

Yeah what he said!

 

Laugh and smirk? No. It appears you're supremely not happy with your DBA program now. That's not a good thing -- no matter the place. Doctoral level work must be uncomfortable -- but not this kind of discomfort. It should be uncomfortable in the way climbing a mountain to get to the top is uncomfortable. The way hard work makes muscles ache. It shouldn't make you feel worse as you strive for the top -- it should only make you feel worse when you fear the top is too far away. Then, when you get there you feel great. If you feel like crap at achieving the pinnacle -- ugh.

Anyone who enjoys watching people get depressed and demotivated also enjoys pulling the wings off butterflies. Ignore such people. Get into a program that feels right for you. If the one you're now in doesn't -- danger, will-robinson.

Do what's right for you. You now know what isn't right for you. The rest is details and nobody's business but yours.

 

That is a perfectly reasonable and excellent observation and question. The answer is "on purpose," and here's why: If you look at the text file that I linked-to in that post, you'll note that, among the specialized/professional accreditors, there are nine (9) accreditors (the ones with "000" in the "CHEA" column) that are in the USDE database, but not in the CHEA database. On the off chance that the institution/program about which one wonders happens to be one of those nine, the CHEA database, alone, won't be enough; and the USDE database must be consulted. With any luck, because USDE (presumably) knows that its database is the only one where the institutions/programs accredited by those nine agencies may be looked-up, it maintains at least those records more conscientiously than it does its others. Sadly, I think that is probably not the case.

As I said in my closing in that post:

• "It's just my opinion, mind you -- and I realize that no one from either USDE or CHEA gives a rat's a__ what I think -- but if USDE's not going to properly maintain its database, then it needs to either stop pretending that its database is worthy of use and either shut it down or hand it off to another maintainer... like CHEA, for example... which is demonstrating both its willingness and ability to keep it complete and accurate.
  
  "And if CHEA's gonna' try to take over the entire lookup function, be it with or without USDE's blessing, then it needs to start including in its database those nine accreditors and their institution/program records that are presently only in the USDE database.
  
  "In the meantime, much as I'd like to remove the USDE database from the two clickable links in my signature -- and stop recommending it in posts -- those nine USDE-database-only accreditors, and their institution/program records, make it so I can't. The downside of that is that some admissions office or HR department staffer might lookup an institution or program in the USDE database, but not also in the CHEA database, and it will be one of the 10,010 records that the CHEA database has, but which the USDE database doesn't, and some applicant will be denied either entry into a program, or a job, because the USDE database was relied upon... as any reasonable person could not be faulted for doing."

Just my $.02 worth... which my ex-wife will happily point out is all it's worth.

 

Well, there have been some here who have engaged in schadenfreude.

 

Following many pages of history, background, and discussion, here's what we say in our book Degree Mills: the billion-dollar industry that has sold more than a million fake degrees (www.degreemills.com)

Bear in that practically every word in this has been debated and discussed at some length. "Generally" and "typically" are words that lead to continua -- 100% of the time, 93% of the time, 41% of the time, etc. -- and most of the heated discussions relate to choosing a place along the continuum for a given school or program
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A degree mill is an entity in which
• degree-granting authority does not come from a generally accepted government agency,
• procedures for granting credit for prior learning, and for determining the amount and quality of work done to earn the degree do not meet generally-accepted standards, and
• the person or persons making the decisions on credit, and on quantity and quality of work, do not have the credentials, experience, or training typically associated with people performing these tasks.

 

I'm willing to accept that as a standard definition.
Jack

 

I am too, but with caution. It's a little loose, don't you think?