Heard of Stamford Hill University?

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  1. Symmetry

    Symmetry New Member

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    Hello all,

    I am looking to hire a person who claims to have a bachelors and masters degree from Stamford Hill University (CT). I cannot find anything, anywhere on this institution. Perhaps a distance learning program? Perhaps a degree mill? Can you shed some light on this? Thanks. ---Symmetry
     
  2. Kizmet

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    Hi - The fact that you can't find it with a cursory search should be enough. If it's not then look at this:

    http://www.movethat.co.uk/London/My/Stamford_Hill/?i=177494&p=4
    http://www.beverlyhomesdevelopers.com/London/Stamford-Hill.htm
    http://www.w9dg.com/resumes/school.html
    http://searchwarp.com/swa77304.htm
    http://www.phonydiploma.com/a-replica-international-diploma-with-transcripts-704.aspx

    And then, from our very own George Brown (thanks George)

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=18833

    There is a town in Connecticut called Stamford but there's no real university by that name.
     
  3. dr. Gone

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    well i went there

    I was a student at Stamford Hill University, and no (dumbass) it isnt in the USA, try UK, and it isnt around the web because it closed down a few years ago, but my PHD is from there, my MA from M.I.T. (does that exist?)
    it is sad when suposedly educated people assume something is a fake because they cant find it on line in 5 mins. of seaching.

    when a University closes it dosent mean the cirts. are no longer valid.
    so to the first poster here i say, if the person with the SHU degrees is good then hire him/her.

    just ask them where they stayed while in school
    if they say USA
    then kick them out
    if they say UK
    then you got yourself a real degree holder.
     
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    I'd ask the applicant about it, and try to get transcripts from the school; not the applicant. However, Kizmet's links don't look too good for the school, and I'm not sure I can trust a post from someone who just joined simply to write here.

    We recently had an interview at my company with a person who claimed to have a mechanical engineering degree from West Clayton University. After asking about it here and some research, we found it to be a unaccredited university where one could buy a degree with no classwork; a degree mill. When we asked the applicant about it, he assured us it was a reputable university and promised to have the school send us official transcripts. We never heard from him again.

    Lastly, the link Kizmet posted that has someone's transcript from a PhD in IT is interesting. I have never seen a transcript from a potential hire, and I have my own transcripts from 5 different schools, without any contact information for the school. Just a thought...
     
  5. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

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    This guy has a Ph.D from Stamford Hill University, but he doesn't list in his resume. However, he lists his incomplete MBA from Devry University. Oh, he has a Ph.D in Information Technology, but his website likes a 10 year-old kid's website. hmmmmm...

    "Education

    PMP Certification Training (Microtrain) 2006
    Six Sigma Certification Training (Microtrain) 2006
    MBA program - Keller Graduate School 1989-1990 (not yet completed)
    BS, IT - Northern Illinois University 1986
    Additional Computer Programming Courses - Harper College "
     
  6. dr. Gone

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    wow, as i recall there was no "IT" as a major for PHD when i went there, of course it closed down in 1998, there is another sure seed of info. what year is his degree formalised?
     
  7. dr. Gone

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    oh i checked the link also, and that looks nothing like my own transcrips, also the PHD degree on the site is 100% bS. pisses me off because it drops the name of my past school to a level below what it was... honestly it wasnt much of a school anyway, but it was accredited for a few years.
     
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    Where was Stamford Hill University when it was open? Do you have an address? Also, what does a former graduate of the university, such as yourself, do when an employer requests sealed transcripts? Are there any alumni groups still active? Who was the dean/program chair of your school when you were there and where does he/she work now?

    Just curious...
     
  9. BillDayson

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    I wonder if 'Dr Gone' is 'Cooper' part two.

    If you really do have one of their diplomas, you never visited their campus to receive it. It doesn't look like Stamford Hill ever had a campus... anywhere, ever.

    There has never been a British university with that name.

    Sure, the school exists. I'm less sure about your degree.

    What's the degree in? Last I heard, MIT only offers one MA program, in economics. All of the rest of its many masters offerings are MS degrees, or specialized masters degrees like MBAs, MArchs, MEngs and so on. Besides, why would an MIT graduate even want what looks like a bogus doctorate?

    Google can give somebody a very good idea whether or not a mystery-university is credible, in just a minute or two.

    It's basically a law of nature -- if a university awards PhDs, other universities will take notice. Professional organizations and government agencies will comment. PhDs are research degrees, so there will be indications of research. People will publish things, they will appear at conferences, they will deliver lectures, they will collaborate, they will win grants and awards.

    Google Scholar has never heard of Stamford Hill University, so apparently no scholarly authors have used it as their institutional affiliation. Despite the claim that this is a closed doctoral-level British university, no ac.uk webpages refer to it.

    For purposes of comparison, Google Scholar and ac.uk websites are starting to take notice of UC Merced, a new California university campus that's still under construction and not fully accredited yet. (It's still a candidate.) My point is that credible universities display internet signatures that are distinctly different from those that aren't.

    If an employer is seeking advanced education, and if a Stamford Hill degree is supposed to represent that, then there needs to be some reason to think that 'advanced education' and 'Stamford Hill' actually belong in the same sentence.

    And there's an ethical issue as well. If a prospective employee is willing to twist the truth in order to get hired, then what reason is there to think that he or she won't keep right on doing it after being hired?

    Where precisely in the United Kingdom was Stamford Hill University located? My impression is that this thing only existed for a while on the internet, one of dozens run by the same organization. An organization that apparently has no connection to the UK at all, beyond a fondness for choosing pseudo-British university names. They were reportedly the ones who were spamming everyone a few years ago about those "prestigious non-accredited universities". One of those wonders appears to have been Stamford Hill.
     
  10. Ted Heiks

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    it was in Stamford Hill UK, Proffesor Stephen L. Reed was my disertation supervisor.
    A.Smith Cooper was the dean as i recall.
    it was a small campuss, formally a UK government building on lease, now i dont know what it is.
     
  12. dr. Gone

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    check MIT again and its partner schools... come on do some research before you speak.
     
  13. John Bear

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    For the record, Dr. Gone's Stamford Hill dissertation is found here:

    http://drgone.org/1069/index.asp?type=blog

    It is titled:
    THE REPRESENTING OF THE LOGIC OF POLITICAL DECISIONS IN MILITRIZED
    DISPUTES

    The word "militrized" appears numerous times. It is unusual to find such a typo in the title and text of a dissertation.

    Dr. Gone is identified as "Adam Gone" in most locations, but elsewhere, apparently, as "Adam E. Ireland."

    A Google search for his committee member "Philo Drumand" produces zero hits.

    The title and some of the text I read bring to mind columnist Herb Caen's wonderful "Khrushchev Award" for wording that seems to have been translated badly from the Ukrainian.
     
  14. -kevin-

    -kevin- Resident Redneck

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    oops


    "THE LOGIC OF DECISIONS IN MILITRIZED
    DISPUTES:
    THE EFFECT OF REGIME, POWER, ARMS
    CONTOROL AND AIRPOWER ON DECISIONMAKING
    IN MILITRIZED DISPUTES
    A Dissertation
    presented to
    the Faculty of the Graduate School
    at the University of Missouri-Columbia
    In Partial Fulfillment
    of the Requirements for the Degree
    Doctor of Philosophy
    by
    KWANG-JIN KIM
    Dr. Stephen Quackenbush, Dissertation Supervisor
    DECEMBER 2007"
     
  15. John Bear

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    Bingo. Great find, Kevin. The real dissertation: Dec. 2007. The counterfeit: Dec. 2008.

    And complete with the "Militrized" typo -- which is unexpected for the U of Missouri -- but it is mostly spelled right in the text of Dr. Kim's dissertation

    I can hardly wait to find out how "Dr." Gone will handle this one.
     
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    Great catches Dr. Bear and Kevin! And I was just about to apply to Stamford... :rolleyes:
     
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    Looks like he is gaaaawn!!!!

    Cheers,

    George
     
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    Apparently he's off to provide pleasure to married women and "secret sluts" in Kuala Lumpur.
     
  19. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

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    He looks more like a pimp than a Ph.D holder.:rolleyes:
     
  20. Ted Heiks

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    Are the two necessarily mutually exclusive?
     
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