GAAP is not RA

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by DWCox, Aug 20, 2003.

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  1. DWCox

    DWCox member

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    You're right I am referring to all the other USDOE accreditors which are CHEA recognized.

    Specifically, I do not agree that only RA and GAAP programs are listed in the degree finder data base.
     
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    OK, I also think some of your statements are misinformed and seemingly etnocentric. Am I posting anonymously?


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    Stanislav Ustymenko
    BS, MS - National Technical University of Ukraine "KPI"
    PhD student - Florida State University.


    'nuff info to "track me down" (sic) for your taste?
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Which makes the whole DETC-pumping even more odd. What did it at all have to do with TRACS? If someone waved a magic wand and elevated DETC to the same level of acceptance as enjoyed by the regionals, it would have only a minor affect on TRACS. (I guess if one NA does well, it helps the others.)

    It's like losing a wallet in a dark alley, but looking for it on a sunlit sidewalk because the light is better there.
     
  4. DWCox

    DWCox member

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    I never said Rich was acting annonymously and just because you use what appears to be a real name does not mean that it is your real name. What other personal information do you list anywhere on the board -- including your signature line -- thus enabling someone, anyone to at least verify that someone by that name resides in a certain city, works for a certain company or teaches at a certain institution?

    Recently I read a post where Gus, reminded another poster that his or her comments related to truthfuliness of accreditation (Calcoast related) would be clearly documented for all to see and researched historically, which would come back to haunt this person. You see Gus, on the other hand can not be held accountable because outside of the RA Nazi's (five or six regulars on this NG) no one could ever attach any of his comments to any real person, which might create a good, bad or indifferent situation.

    Many of the regulars on this NG talk out of both sides of their mouths.
     
  5. DWCox

    DWCox member

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    I am not pumping DETC but rather every other USDOE approved accreditor with CHEA recognition.
     
  6. DWCox

    DWCox member

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    Since when is private messaging not anonymous?

    Also having someone's email address does not exactly expose anyone? Just ask all the anonymous email spammers.
     
  7. DWCox

    DWCox member

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    Then why not list AMU in the DegreInfo degree finder data base?
     
  8. DWCox

    DWCox member

    Rich: Since when does "Degreeinfo" constitute one entity behaving in a certain fashion? And since when is DETC "ignored"? It is discussed at tremendous lengths.

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    But DETC is not good enough to list in the degree finder data base, right?
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    when DETC (IMHO) established DL in this country.

    No. University-level correspondence study pre-dates the DETC by decades.

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    Yes, but these same RA institutions were not exactly endorsing DL wholly.
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    Maybe through home study of vocational programs, but non-the-less DETC is the only accreditor, which solely pushed DL schools.


    No. The regionals accredited many more free-standing DL schools. By 1980, the NHSC (DETC) accredited two bachelor's-level schools. At the same time, dozens of DL-only schools (like UECU, Campus-Free College, USNY, TESC, and COSC) were either accredited or were candidates. Even today, DETC accredits a tiny number compared to the regionals.

    Also, many a small unknown school helped blaze the trail, if you will, that is DL in the USA today. We as DL consumers have many options because Walden, Sarasota, Capella, Union, Saybrook, CIIS just to name a few decided to take up the DL cause.

    All regionally accredited, of course.

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    Assessment instititions are hardly DL in nature. Credit for existing knowledge is another topic entirely.
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    DegreeInfo does not acknowledge the other non-RA accreditors, when in large part DegreeInfo exists today because of the small original trail blazer.

    This makes no sense for the reasons stated. The DETC was never a "trailblazer" in DL. I'd give that to the University of London, Open University, UECU, Regents, even Northcentral (chronologically, and among many others), before any DETC-accredited schools. Again, many RA schools were accredited before DETC got into the game.

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    Regents has never been a DL school, but rather an assessment institution, willing to accept transfer credits -- usually regardless of the age -- and award degrees based on academic work performed elsewhere.
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    Is there even one DETC-accredited school that could be considered impactful on the field of DL?


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    The USDOE's approval for DETC to award bachelor degrees, then masters and soon doctorates has forced the RA's to take notice and respond with their own offerrings. Do you really think that without DETC's presence that the RA's would have come around so soon?
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  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Do you feel your position is THAT vulnerable? Wouldn't you be better off defending your views as opposed to going after your opponents? Then again, your remark on Mexican schools might suggest that you simply do not know much about education!

    You can't say I'm anonymous - with info I gave, you can probably find my home phone in minutes, and work phone for our team in seconds. I still can't see why anyone might need that :confused:
     
  10. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    The point I was making, Wes, and which seems to elude you, is that the very simple and (dare I say it) polite thing to do is to send a member a private message (or email) requesting private contact information. Why do you feel the need to "expose" anyone? I don’t even know what you mean by that.
     
  11. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    The simple fact that non-RA and non-GAAP degrees have far less utility, and the casual visitor (for whom the degree finder is targeted) is not likely to understand the differences.

    I love AMU, and sincerely hope they attain RA status. But, that doesn't change the fact that their credits and degrees have limited utility.
     
  12. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    I have a simple plan. You make out a check for $1000.00 payable to Gus Sainz. Send me a private message requesting my mailing address. Mail the check. I will endoirse the check, and either cash it or deposit it into my checking account. Either way, when you receive back the cancelled check, you will have proof that Gus Sainz is a real individual. Do we have a deal? C'mon, Wes, think of the countless hours (if not days) of research that will save you. :D
     
  13. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    OK. Even in the face of extremely fierce competition, this statement gets my vote for the most ludicrous and asinine comment concerning distance education ever posted on this forum. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    But went on and on mis-stating the utility of DETC accreditation, not mentioning TRACS at all. Got it.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Absolutely. The fact that they don't universally recognize the DETC (as shown in their practices) demonstrates this. They did it without a whit of concern about the DETC.
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It is just this kind of statement that makes one give your opinions no credibility. (Of course, that's just my opinion.)

    How could you possibly envoke the term "Nazi" and then expect to be taken seriously? It's really pejorative.

    As for your facts.... :rolleyes:
     
  17. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    You can phone me anytime you'd like. You could drop over anytime as well. Just let yourself in, the key is . . . well, you already know where it is, don't you?
    :rolleyes:
    Jack







    "What a maroon."
    (B. Bunny)
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Mr. Cox, the so-called anonymous email spammers are not anonymous because their email address is known. What generally happens is that their accounts are terminated after a few days because they are not anonymous. They then just go open a new account someplace else.

    This anonoymous kick that you're on makes no sense to me. What is it that you're trying to accomplish? Does it have a point?
     
  19. kf5k

    kf5k member

    DETC schools do not have far less utility than RA schools or programs. The difference is a little less, not some huge amount. In fact the DL programs that are offered by RA schools themselves do not have the level of utility as do the RA B & M schools. Many professions require that study be done at a B & M. Who wants to visit a DL Dentist, Doctor, Lawyer, Nurse. In the private business world DETC schools compete very well and among the general population accredited means accredited whether from RA or DETC. There are many accreditors recognized by USDOE and CHEA. They all have their place and value. RA/DL programs offered by B & M schools do not stand by themselves as the sole source of education or as any superior standard.
     
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  20. sulla

    sulla New Member

    Now, I do think that a b&m DETC degree has lesser utility than a RA dl degree. Then again, this difference might be almost non-existing when you factor everything else (experience, past education, skills, etc) in the resume.

    The same rationale can be applied to the RA dl degrees and B & M. And the latest I have heard (just observations, not facts) the difference between RA dl and RA B & M is no longer as big as it once was two years ago, especially in the industry. In fact, according to Vogue, in some professions a RA dl degree is preferred (IT industry, teaching at DL schools or B&M schools that offer dl programs). I think Rich Douglas came to this conclusion as well based on the results of his studies.

    Just food for thought
    -S
     
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