Future of Higher Education in the US

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Do you have any proof of this? I doubt it, since those are pretty imprecise terms.
     
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  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I was a very liberal associate professor at San Diego State University, and I taught leadership and was the commandant of cadets in an Air Force ROTC program.

    One time, and this was in 1990, I set up a debate in my class regarding gays in the military. I selected two teams at random and required that they set up and present arguments pro or con, regardless of their personal feelings. It was a lot of fun and I got ZERO blowback, either from my students or my superiors.

    If you can be liberal and still teach future military officers, you can be of whatever political persuasion and be able to teach your discipline. I just set the bar.
     
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  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    My favorite is his assertion that the Chinese that created the COVID virus to be more likely to spare Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews. That notion moves in more directions than a Phil Niekro knuckleball.
     
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  4. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    As I recall, COVID's impact on China was catastrophic, and it's believed that the Chinese government underreported deaths.

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/29/10/23-0585_article
     
  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    When I facilitated group counseling sessions back in 2016, the inmates kept bringing up the election. I kept my political views to myself. I was surprised to learn that the clients believed that I was voting for Trump. They also thought I grew up upper middle class and said that I didn't sound like I was from Texas due to the lack of a southern accent. Younger generations of San Antonians don't have a strong accent...People will make assumptions based on how you dress, speak, and carry yourself. I also think my past work as a correctional officer affects people's perceptions of me. It wasn't the first or last time that someone assumed that I was conservative.
     
  6. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    You are describing a problem aggravated conservative ideas, not liberal ideas. Colleges also didnt allow women back in the day, and that was wrong. They became more liberal and accepting to new ideas.

    Let me remind you, it was conservatives who are currently pushing for “free speech” on college campuses. This is a push to allow antisemites to freely speak on college campus. Turning Point USA is probably the largest group doing this.

    I am getting tired of this deflection as to why colleges should purposely and intentionally hire more conservative faculty. Why do we need a safe space for conservatives on college campuses? Just to confirm to this notion of balance?
     
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  7. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member


    The Ivy League schools were definitely more conservative in the past. To Lerner, discrimination against women and non-White people isn't concerning. He thinks that women being celibate is violence against men and a more pressing issue than actual violence against women.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/affirmative-action-ivy-league-colleges-history-2023-6

    Wherever one sees anti-Semitism, there is usually anti-Blackness and misogyny present. Some people can't connect the dots. If you want people to be free to say sexist and racist stuff on college campuses, then you better be ready for them to also say anti-Semitic stuff. White supremacists don't like Jews either, and it blows my mind to hear a Jew defending them. They're the Clarence Thomases of Jewish people.
     
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  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Such a distortion, I have seen many times posters assign to me things I never said, I don't support, not sure where you got this from.
    You lump all issues in the same basket, this is not the case.


    This is why I brought the antisemitism point in this discussion.
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You said that women being celibate was horrible anti-family that showed violence to men. That's also the impression you gave me.
     
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  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    OK, maybe I should have clarified my stand on this, I thought it was explained in which situations I thought it was vengeance against man.
    There monks, and nuns and simply people for their own reason are celibate.

    But the movement, that justifying their actions as vengeance against man, punishment, their motive was a different story.
    Its anti family, anti marriage etc.
    It has no connection to race.
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    So it is not okay for someone to decide that they don't want to get married? Or perhaps just women can't decide they don't want to be married? Should they be forced to marry? Is it acceptable for a married couple to decide that they don't want kids?
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2024
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    In a free country, society people can do what they think good for them, as long as it's legal.

    But here we have the movement, a protest, and a protest can be met with counterprotest.
    Can counterprotest have an opinion and defend the rights of man or woman who are pro family?
     
  13. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    This is a British study, but it's relevant to the conversation. It might explain why non-college-educated people are more susceptible to falling for the racist and authoritarian-like MAGA movement. It might also explain why people see the Democratic Party as having moved to the right on economic issues with its larger college-educated base.

    It provides the first causal estimate of higher education specifically, finding that achieving a degree reduces authoritarianism and racial prejudice and increases economic right-wing attitudes. This has important implications for the study of politics: as populations become more highly educated on average, we should expect continuing aggregate value change towards lower levels of authoritarianism and racial prejudice, with significant consequences for political behaviour.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379422000312
     
  14. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I'm not following. Procreating is the default behavior. Most Americans will have children by their 40s. Most Americans also get married with the exception of Black men. What do you mean by protest? Are you going to march down the street with your wife and kids because young women on TikTok are discussing the 4B movement? If they don't want to get married or have kids, what does that have to do with you?
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    No one is trying to take away the rights of folks that want to get married???? Why do you say that? It doesn't make sense? No one said people can't get married if they want. Who is attacking the right of people that are pro family? Hint, no one is attacking or trying to take away the rights of man or woman who are pro family. This makes no sense to me.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think I explained in previous replies.
     
  17. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile, there is talk of getting rid of no fault divorce, which will make it harder for women to leave bad marriages. This will only further discourage women from getting married because they'll feel like marriage is a trap.

    https://www.blackburncenter.org/post/why-no-fault-divorce-is-necessary
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Society didn't used to have no fault divorce. All states now have no fault divorce because it was a horrible disaster otherwise. I'm not surprised people can be so stupid as to want to go back. There have been too many examples lately of these kind of bad ideas.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I'm against forcing relationship on people, No fault divorce was a big progress.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Protest can be in a form of educating and promoting healthy and happy relationships.
    In the US the prevailing framework with which majority of fathers approach their role in the family is as an equal partnership with their wife.
    Dads view their role as that of a team player with shared responsibility with their wife rather than split responsibility. Instead of taking sole ownership for the financial support of the family, many dads share this role with their wife. In return, they play active roles in caring for the children and completing other domestic duties.
    In this shared responsibility fathering role, dads, as well as moms, deal with the daily frustrations of getting children ready to leave and the hassles of shuttling them to their activities.

    Even very traditional dads tend to have less of a split-responsibility partnership, and more of a shared-responsibility partnership. These dads complete a variety of domestic duties and reject conventional divisions of household labor.
    Traditional dads see completing domestic duties as one of the best ways to love their wife sacrificially. Other dads see completing domestic duties as just a natural extension of having a household or the only way tasks will be done the way that they like them.
    Most dads will take at least some responsibility for childcare and cleaning the house while their wife will often contribute to the family financially and do chores such as mowing the lawn.
    I copied above from another source, it's not my work, but I adored this approach
    Such education provides some guiding light to choosing the right partner.
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2024

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