From a non AACSB PhD to a AACSB accredited DBA in 2.5 years

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by RFValve, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    We have discussed many times that people with PhDs from non AACSB accredited schools might face limitations due to lack of recognition.

    The University of Surrey DBA allows a PhD to skip the first 1.5 years of the program and go straight to the dissertation stage:

    " Applicants who hold a Master of Research or a PhD from an approved university may apply for direct access to the thesis stage of the DBA."

    I wonder if this could be the answer to those that want the AACSB accredited doctorate and have already a PhD from online schools without AACSB accreditation such as Walden, NCU, etc.

    It might be worth to do the extra 2.5 years and end with something more recognized.
  2. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    I think the real answer is the AACSB Bridge program.

    Sure, what you propose sounds fantastic, but the caveat of "an approved PhD program" sounds like an undefined hurdle that may make your proposition invalid.
  3. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    The bridge will not work for most. Admission is a doctoral degree in a non-business subject from a school that offers AACSB school.
  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Few problems with the bridge:

    -It is a certificate and not a PhD. I am skeptical about its PhD equivalency and doubt many chairs and deans would consider it as equal to a PhD. I already asked few chairs if they knew this certificate and they were not aware of it.
    -Admission to the certificate program is restricted to people that have PhDs in non business subjects that have an AACSB accredited business school. This is not the case for people with PhDs in business or non business subjects from online schools such as Walden, NCU, Capella, etc.

    The "approved PhD" sounds to me as an accredited PhD. It might be worth trying admission with an online PhD.

    This program was brought in another thread and thought would share it for those interested.
  5. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Thinking out loud here...

    So what would look better for a candidate:

    1. PhD from a non AACSB school, DBA from AACSB School

    2. PhD from a non AACSB school, with 3 - 5 articles in top tier journals?

    Seems to me that the DBA from The University of Surrey is very practitioner based, and the program is not geared towards publication.

  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member


    Last week I was at a conference and attended a presentation given by deans from different business schools about their needs for faculty. Bottom line, you require a doctorate (DBA or PhD) from an AACSB accredited school and at least one publication from a top journal (ranked A or with high impact factor) indexed in a known index such as thomson reuters.

    A DBA from surrey is just half of equation and you would need at least one good publication. It looks to me that just "publications" is not enough either.

    The other issue is not just landing a tenure track job but being able to get tenure, I met few faculty members that have been trying to get tenure in the last 12 years. It seems like getting tenure at a top school is not a walk in the park.

    In conclusion, it might be better to get a job in a small school or university that pays low but accepts a PhD from a non AACSB accredited school and doesnt require intensive research than a job at a research university that pays high but requires you to work double or triple and makes it very hard for you to get tenure.
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  7. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I remember in one thread you said professors at research universities make double to triple what someone makes at a small school and works a lot less. Did I misunderstand or has something changed?
  8. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I asked the salary question, it seems that the average new hire makes about 150K at a research university business school but you are required to show at least one article at a top journal.

    One person from an Asian country (I dont remember which one) mentioned that some schools in Asia pay about 30K per article published in a top journal.

    It seems that people working a top research schools make more than 200K on average. Other sources of income are teaching at executive programs and consulting so the sky is the limit for some.

    People teaching a non research schools that are not AACSB accredited make about 80K on average. So it is about double the salary if you hold an AACSB accredited doctorate and do research that can be published at top journals.
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  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Perhaps the survey below can give you an idea of the impact of an AACSB degree and publications in salary:

    2012 AIS Salary Survey Results

    If you notice, number 6 responded that works for a doctoral granting institution and has 2 top tier publication with a starting salary of 150K

    This survey is for MIS teachers that are not a the top of the scale for business faculties so expect more for finance and accounting.
  10. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Hey, were you at AOM? I was there, (along with about 11,000 other people).

    Thanks for sharing that - I went to a session about managing your academic career. I love my small university; I'm not expected to work 70 hours a week...

  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    This was AMCIS, I did not go to AOM this year.

    Many people that go to AMCIS are doctoral students looking for a big career in academia. There were many schools interviewing for faculty positions but most were interested in people with publications in Management Science, MIS Quaterly, etc.

    I realized that nobody really cared about the issues that we discussed here such as DBA vs PhD, distance vs non distance, etc. Bottom line are publications in top journals and a AACSB accredited doctorate that might be earned with distance learning or not. Teaching experience was also important but the first thing people ask is about publications.
  12. _T_

    _T_ New Member

    Not to bring up an old topic that has been discussed extensively, but has there been any type of general consensus on what route to take for folks who have a non-AACSB Ph.D. and are running into problems because of the lack of accreditation? I ask mainly because I teach at an AACSB school now, and it looks as if all of the tenure track slots are going to require AACSB.
    Are the bridge program and this Univ. of Surrey the only realistic options out there?
  13. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    The post doc bridge is not really for people with business PhDs from non AACSB schools like TUI.
    The Surrey program seems like a realistic option but haven't tested it with a PhD from an online school.

    Another realistic option would be to do a M.Sc in a field with a shortage like Accounting from AACSB accredited school and try the Lecturer path instead of a tenure track. The PhD from TUI might not be the main qualifier but the differentiator for a Lecturer position.
  14. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    It looks like the link is dead. Can anyone else find the link?

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