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Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by EllisZ, Jul 11, 2002.

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  1. EllisZ

    EllisZ Member

  2. qjackson

    qjackson New Member

    Thanks. 'Preciate that.

    For those who don't want to visit DistanceDegree.net, here's the email he's referring to:

    Lovely, eh what?

    Code:
    Oh come and join the circus, friend,
    For we have ladies who will bend
    And touch their many colored toes
    With their oft' pierced and tattooed nose.
    
    Oh run away and join with me
    In this so funky, freaky spree,
    Just leave behind all worldly care
    And dance the jig in underwear.
    
    Slowly, quickly, it's all the same,
    Long as you learn to play the game,
    Get your camera, start taping,
    It's just privacy you're raping!
    
    Listen as the clowns call out loud
    As spores pour freely from the cloud
    For a newsman this is heaven,
    Watch it all on channel seven!
    
     
  3. EllisZ

    EllisZ Member

    No problem. I'm disgusted by the whole thing.
     
  4. irat

    irat New Member

    facts

    Usually facts speak mountains all by themselves.
    All the best!
     
  5. qjackson

    qjackson New Member

    The people who do this behind anonymity are vapors, will-o-the-wisps, persona non grata, badly digested bits of potato.

    The only piece of information in that outing email worth noting is the reference to "MafiaMail for PlayStation II". Obviously they're people who enjoy playing games, since blowing up people on their screen makes them feel powerful.

    I see it as an attempt to make me back down from moderating at DistanceDegree.net. Yadda yadda.
     
  6. qjackson

    qjackson New Member

    Anyway, here was my reply to the email addresses of the media and others:

     
  7. irat

    irat New Member

    as usual I don't understand the hoopla

    I guess I'm missing the excitement.
    So someone has an unaccredited degree. Big deal.
    Can't we look at the quality of the posts and make up our own mind.
    Didn't someone once say that men should be measured by the quality of their ideas...
    All the best!
     
  8. qjackson

    qjackson New Member

    Re: as usual I don't understand the hoopla

    Exactly.

    A:

    Avec tout leur grande intelligence si fluide,
    La liste de leurs accomplissments était si vide;
    On dirait peut-être qu'ils aiment leurs propres beaux images
    Dans le mirroir de leurs égotismes.

    B:

    Quelle dommage!
    Vous savez bien que mes mains ne sont pas les miennes,
    En tous cas, vous vous pensez une étoile ancienne,
    Mais pour être une telle chose, il faut les chiffres,
    Parce que sans les chiffres, on n'a pas même de pantoufles,
    Et sans cela, on ne peut marcher à pied.

    A:

    Dis
    Donc! Je vois au ciel une assemblage des nuages,
    Je vole là-dedans avec tout mon cru courage,
    Cependant les étoiles si haut au ciel en feu:
    Ils ne volent pas du tout -- pas même un petit peu.

    Je vous demande donc en confiance, mon vieux,
    Comment voler ces morts, ces tellement passifs dieux?
    Je ne peux compter les étoiles, c'est entendu,
    Leurs chiffres quantifiés si tellement absolus....

    B:

    En tous cas....

    A:

    Oui, en tous cas....

    B:

    En tous cas, adieu.
     
  9. qjackson

    qjackson New Member

    Re: as usual I don't understand the hoopla

    I guess whoever did this has an even more exaggerated sense of my importance than I do. They didn't stop with me, though, but also went on to tell Unisa (DETC accredited) that they have ... egads ... a DETC master's degree holder in their midst.... OH MY GOD!

    (RA's best and brightest spamulators produce a masterpiece in Outology 101.)

    Anyway ... yeah ... it's about as exciting as the last time I put a matching pair of socks on or my neighbor told me to mow my lawn.:eek:
     
  10. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    You got to love the spammers. Mr Jackson has certainly not tried to pass off his education for anything other than what it is.

    He has stated the university he attended on many different occasions and is of the opinion that it suits his needs just fine as a novelist.

    It is as ridiculous as the people that take John Bear's cv out of Bear's Guide and somehow think it would embarrass him. I am sure John Bear is extremely proud of his pioneering work in distance education.

    The only time someone is going to be troubled by their past is when they misrepresent it.
     
  11. EllisZ

    EllisZ Member

    That is EXACTLY my thoughts on this topic.

    I like Quinn. He has not mis-represented himself, nor (to the best of my knowlege) has he even encouraged anyone else to take the path that he has chosen.

    I think the problem is that Quinn has actually become successful in his chosen endeavors, while it remains to be seen if the spammer has has the same results ...

    Jealously or sickness .... regardless, it is harmful to all involved.
     
  12. qjackson

    qjackson New Member

    There's the thing, eh? My having been accepted at par by Ph.D. holders who've earned their degrees at Cambridge UK, Yale, Wayne State, U. of Missouri, and others does not mean I can teach at any of those institutions, now, does it -- so why would I recommend my path to anyone looking to do what so many are looking to do with their credential? Be that as it may ... if those traditionally schooled doctorate holders stand with me in my estimation of myself, then a few Wes Gradys and anonymous Outistas certainly can't get me down.

    Fact of the matter is ... I don't really want to be a professor of Computer Science, or anything else. If I ever in the future need a doctorate for "utility" -- it would be in something like educational psychology, not computer science. Why? I find teaching to be extremely draining. It doesn't suit my personality at all. Sharing knowledge through writing, yes ... but in an undergraduate setting -- just no way I have the personality or inclination -- and I know it.

    As far as I know, when the APA was phoned about me, the people at the desk just brushed it off. I was told that degrees are not a requirement for that nomination ... I am a nominee for that award, and if it sticks in the craw of Jesus, Joseph, and Mary, that I was nominated and 7 people chose to write letters supporting that nomination -- then some people ought to get a clue and start taking their nose out of their knitting. If the committee doesn't select me to receive the award -- I am still proud to have been nominated. I didn't ask to be nominated ... and if the busy bodies of Distance Education feel it there duty to stick their noses where they don't belong because it makes them feel "important" to "expose" honest people for their honesty -- hey, it's not my fault their parents don't buy them a ping pong table or something healthy like that to occupy them in their free time.

    Anyway.... I appreciate the words of support. I knew when I agreed to moderate over at DistanceDegree.net that some of the spammers and outters would target me ... but it's all small stuff, and I'm not sweating it. Anyone who writes "peruse" for "pursue" ... well, you get the picture. ;-)
     
  13. Wes Grady

    Wes Grady New Member

    For the record Mr. Jackson, I did not write the note. But since you feel compelled to take a shot at me, then I feel compelled to say that I think you are a phony. You have taken exactly 3 college courses and then have obtained three unaccredited degrees from a diploma mill. You claim to be a novelist, but your books have been published by Xliberis, a vanity publisher where you PAY them to publish your works. I read your bio and see nothing there that makes me believe that you have even a junior college education. You list your nomination at APA, which I know has angered some and obviously one person to the point where he or she has decided to do more than sit in silence. Your estimation of yourself is indeed high but I, for one, don't share it. Not that you have to please or impress me anymore than I have to please or impress you. I challenged you on the other site and was "warned" to keep my hands off. I chose instead to leave and received several e-mail advising me of the very mature posts that were put up by the leaders of that site. You give DL a bad name, Mr. Jackson.

    Wes Grady
     
  14. qjackson

    qjackson New Member

    I didn't say you did. You have always had the courage to stand behind your statements with your real name.

    On the other matters ... I will simply say that I do not consider them well informed statements, and so, will not respond to them. Solely based upon the inaccuracies of your statements, I can see that you are shooting from the hip, and as such, I will not hold you to your statements as I would had you actually done any accurate research into the matters you are discussing. This is not a matter of what I have told you directly in the past -- it is a matter of public record, and I do not have time to educate you any further about my credentials.

    Since it is highly unlikely that any further contact between you and me would be in any way productive either to us, or to anyone else, I also inform you that I will not be replying in future to any messages from you. I feel it only fitting that I make this clear, and stress that it is without prejudice.

    In order to make this a "fair arrangement" -- I promise as a gentleman that I will refrain from mentioning your name in any context in future, so that there is no perceived need for future interaction on either of our parts.
     
  15. bobbyray

    bobbyray New Member

    I'm new here - and I don't know how long I'll stay, however I would like to take to opportunity to send a message to some people who apparently have some issues of their own they're unable to deal with, and therefore seem to feel it necessary to attack other people with little, if any, reason...at least none that I can see. I don't generally get involved in negatively (and downwardly spiralling) charged discussions, but this case has roused me in some way. So, without further ado about nothing...


    Dear "[email protected] (!?!),

    I've got to say that I am amazed - simply amazed! I read a copy of the email you forwarded to several parties, including (most irresponsibly, I'd say) to numerous news services. I don't know what your real motivation could be for such malicious slander, especially directed at a person about whom you obviously know nothing about. And...why don't you use your identities in relation to your comments? I would think that given the deep concern this issue (apparently) has for you, that you would at least display the moral courage to stand up behind your words? Or...is it more comfortable to hide behind them?

    Mr. Jackson, degreed or not, is an extremely creative, intelligent, and productive individual. Regardless of the institution that issued his doctorate or how many courses he's taken, the fact that he is qualified to to hold a Ph.D. is beyond question to those who know him and are familiar with his work. Mr. Jackson is...

    a. An expert logician and mathematician. I direct you to his numerous papers on language parsing and adaptive grammars, for starters...

    b. An computer scientist with few peers; his program Meta-§, should you bother to check, is perhaps the class of it's kind of software - and was concieved, designed, and programmed by Mr. Jackson himself in it's entirety...

    c. A prolific and well-regarded writer, poet, and essayist with a substantial body of published work (and the publisher/s is/are irrelevant - people do BUY, read, and and enjoy his work...isn't that the main goal of writing and publishing?).

    (I don't need to provide links for the above - you should be clever enough to use Google (it's designed for use by even poorly educated individuals), which will happily direct you in the right directions.)

    In fact, DOCTOR Jackson is probably more deserving of the title than many other holders of the same title. The quantity and quality of his work easily meets or exceeds that required by any institution for such distinction. The main goal behind a doctorate, to my understanding, is to recognize that a person has achieved a sufficient level of knowledge, expertise, understanding, and mastery of a certain subject area or discipline, not just simply hit all the checkpoints or paid enough tuition for x number of years.

    You should consider yourself lucky that it was not me who you attacked so carelessly and maliciously and in such a public manner - although I am slow to anger, I would not react as gently as Quinn has; slander of the nature that you have been slinging in this case is something that I find hard to let slide, even when it's not directed at me personally.

    I suggest you check your facts a bit and re-consider what you've done - and perhaps an apology proferred as publicly as your attack would be something you should seriously consider.
     
  16. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Gentlemen....I know I can be as passionate as anyone when it comes to DL issues, but I don't see anything productive coming out of the last few posts.

    Everyone sit back, take a deep breath, and relax. There, isn't that better? :cool:


    Bruce
     
  17. qjackson

    qjackson New Member

    :cool: Inhale. Exhale. Yeah... that's better. :cool:

    On a completely different topic ... Dave Hayden asked for a time frame over on DistanceDegree.net on Dr. Bear's statement (the one posted at: http://www.columbiaseminary.edu/Recomend.htm)

    I note that there's no year given on that. One could probably reverse engineer a time frame from "for more than 20 years" -- but maybe a direct clarification?

    Dr. Bear?
     
  18. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I swear I read the same recommendation several years ago, with the exception of "Faraston Theological Seminary" substituted for "Columbia Evangelical Seminary". I don't know if John actually updated his recommendation, or if he just gave Rick permission to switch the names.

    In any case, I believe that John's comments were targeted solely to Faraston/Columbia, and not to unaccredited schools in general. I've read Rick Walston's books and have had some e-mail exchanges with him, and he strikes me as 100% honest and sincere in his efforts with Christian DL. We disagree over the value of unaccredited degrees (I don't value them at all), but no way do I think that Rick is anything less than sincere, or that his school is a mill.


    Bruce
     
  19. irat

    irat New Member

    what are the odds?

    Erik Erikson did not have a ph.d.
    Someone asked him in his later years, why he didn't get on?
    He answered (with a question) "who would test me?"
    Colleges are at will to hire anyone to teach they want.
    Just as they can have anyone enter a degree program.
    While that is true, the odds of getting into that elite group appear to be dramatically higher with regionally accredited degrees earned while rubbing elbows with the right people.
    As long as someone knows their degree is from an unaccredited and does not misrepresent it, I don't see the big deal.
    All the best!
     
  20. qjackson

    qjackson New Member

    Re: what are the odds?

    Back in 96, when I was offered a chance to enter doctoral studies at a European university, it was based upon two factors parimarily: 1) my research, 2) my 2-year diploma and 16 out of 20 modules completed on a second diploma. (That part was just a formality.)

    I could not accept the offer, since it involved residency, and instead chose to enter the commercial world of software development.

    Anyway, I don't see what the big deal is either. I suspect that the real reason behind all of these "outing" escapades is to shut people up who are vocal. The person/people doing this don't care if the degree comes from unaccredited, DETC-accredited, or regionally accredited schools -- to date, I have reports of people from each category having had a third party "called" on them. Yes -- DETC and RA scholars are also being "turned in" for their "substandard" credentials. The person/people behind this have no concern for education. The moment I learned of this -- the moment I knew the agenda: to silence certain people by intimidation. Nothing to do with education quality control, folks -- and now we know it in spades.

    It may have started as a way for Good Morning America to have a bit of fun at other people's expense -- but it's been mutated into a tool to try to silence anyone this person/people don't particularly like having an opinion.

    That said -- have a nice weekend! :cool:
     

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