For the first time since World War II, a far-right party has received an unprecedented 20% of the vo

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    German Elections:
    For the first time since World War II, a far-right party has received an unprecedented 20% of the vote, making the Alternative for Germany the second largest party. Friedrich Merz's Christian Democratic Party is in first place in the sample. Meanwhile, Chancellor Schulz collapses with only 16% of the vote

    "Germans are fed up with the irrational agenda that has dominated for so many years, especially around issues like energy and immigration."

    The German economy has been in deep stagnation since the days of the Corona pandemic and the current government is seen by the majority of the people as responsible for the ongoing stagnation in the strong economy of Europe. In addition, a wave of terrorist attacks, especially in recent months, is tipping the scales strongly towards the right. Just last weekend (Friday), an asylum seeker from Syria attacked a tourist from Spain with a knife, near the Holocaust Memorial in Berlin. The young man, a 19-year-old asylum seeker from Syria, admitted during his interrogation that he had come to the place with the intention of killing Jews, in protest of the events in the Middle East. This attack is the latest in a series of terrorist acts throughout Germany in recent months, in which immigrants and asylum seekers were involved.
     
  2. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

  3. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    That's what happens, when people fed-up with liberal policies.
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    OK, I'll bite. Like what? What justifies letting Nazis get in power? Gee, what happened the last time it happened?
     
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  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    No one said it justifies. There is no justification for electing Nazis.
    I'm saying it's the effect of liberal policies. Pushing people to elect Nationalists.
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    And to think that people called Hillary condescending. People are capable of making their own choices. In fact, there's a word for voters who supported the NSDAP because they were pushed by policies. That word is "Nazi". To recap:
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  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Yes, and people in EU are absolutely fed-up with Liberal policies.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Satn, what's you fixation with the Nazi salute?

    Before the killing centers opened at Birkenau, Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, and Majdanek, more than 1.5 million Jews had already been murdered by the Germans, their Axis allies, and local collaborators in Ukraine, Belarus, and other USSR republics. These were the first victims of the Holocaust.

    They were not transported by trains to the famous killing sites in Poland, with their gas chambers and crematoria that typically characterize the Holocaust in the minds of most people. Instead, these Holocaust victims were taken from their homes, usually by foot, to the outskirts of the cities, towns, and villages where they lived and were brutally shot—face to face or in the back—often in the presence of local residents and non-Jewish neighbors.

    The mass shooting of Jewish victims in the summer and fall of 1941 represents the first phase of the Holocaust, often referred to by historians as “the Holocaust by bullets.” It was during this initial phase that special German killing squads (Einsatzkommandos) coordinated the mass murder of Jews by bullets with the help of the SS, Wehrmacht troops, the Romanian military, special “operational squadrons,” order police units, and local collaborators.

    Lucky for me, my mother, then a few years old, was saved by a neighbor, who claimed she was her daughter.
     
  10. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    You are more mad about the existence of Palestinians than actual Nazis in the US government.
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Aren't you paying attention? The Nazis in the government are the fault of liberals. (I call that mental gymnastics.)
     
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  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Liberal policies are a major factor for the increase in support of nationalism movements, parties in Germany.
    Germans are fed up with the irrational agenda that has dominated for so many years, especially around issues like energy and immigration.

    In the US elections.
    I commented on this forum, multiple times, that people will be voting on issues.
    My suggestions were dismissed in the same way as now.
    There is cause and effect.
    This is how Liberals pushed people away and allowed to be persuaded to vote GOP.
     
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  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    A violent neo-Nazi group is silently rebuilding in the U.S., sharing an ominous warning with its followers that there are “only military solutions.”

    The Base, formed in 2018, proscribed as a terrorist organization in several countries, appears to be undergoing a resurgence which experts attribute to seizing a “window of opportunity” with the new Trump administration.

    The group, which has been subject to a years-long FBI counter-terrorism investigation, has been relatively quiet since 2022. But The Guardian reports that its founder and leader, former U.S. special forces contractor Rinaldo Nazzaro who is believed to be in Russia, was recruiting and reorganizing ahead of the 2024 presidential election.
     
  14. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    There is actually some research to back up this particular claim. This is known as representation gaps.

    See here: https://theconversation.com/representation-gaps-and-the-rise-of-populism-245871

    The rise of rightwing populists continues across the west, leaving many wondering how mainstream parties can respond. Part of the picture is the failure of political parties to meet voters’ views on immigration with policy responses.

    Germany is a strong example here. In 2013, it had no notable rightwing populist party. Alternative for Germany (the AfD) did already exist, but it was neither populist nor strongly anti-immigrant. But immigration into Germany was increasing.

    In the years prior to 2013, several hundred thousand asylum seekers from Africa and the Middle East entered the country each year. Many Germans wanted lower immigration but German political parties were not offering corresponding policies. The public and parliamentarians were already on a different page.

    To measure this disagreement, researchers asked representative samples of German parliamentarians and ordinary citizens the following question in 2013: “Should it be easier or harder for foreigners to immigrate?”

    They could choose from 11 responses, ranging from “0 – immigration for foreigners should be much easier” to “10 – immigration for foreigners should be much harder”.

    The results show that most Germans wanted to restrict immigration in 2013. Despite this public demand, nearly all parliamentarians from all the four major parties wanted to facilitate immigration.

    Immigration attitudes in 2013:

    Two years later, in 2015, the refugee crisis began. Over the course of just a few years, two million asylum seekers entered Germany. In response, Germans viewed immigration as an increasingly important issue and increasingly voted based on their attitudes towards immigration. Because most Germans wanted lower immigration, this increased the demand for an anti-immigration party.

    During this time, the AfD changed its policy platform to become Germany’s only party that was clearly calling for much lower immigration. As a result, the AfD became the only party to represent the will of many Germans on the issue they considered most important.

    From this perspective, it is not surprising that the AfD strongly increased its vote share in the 2017 election and became the first party to the right of the conservatives to ever enter the federal parliament.

    In my research, I found similar patterns are evident across Europe. In 27 countries, most political mainstream parties are much more in favour of immigration than the majority of their voters and citizens demand.

    The representation gap is not only systematic across countries but also across political issues and voter subgroups. On nearly all cultural issues, such as multiculturalism or gender relations, I found that voters are more conservative than their parliamentarians.

    Across Europe, the difference between the average voter and parliamentarian is as large as the difference between the average conservative and socialist parliamentarian.

    Even voters with the same level of education, or voters who are well-informed about politics, are much more culturally conservative than their representatives. Even immigrants themselves are much more opposed to immigration and multiculturalism than the average parliamentarian.

    While these cultural representation gaps have existed for a long time, it is the increase in their salience and perceived importance that contributes to the rise of rightwing populism. This is most strongly driven by the increased importance in immigration.

    These results matter because they can equip politicians with the information they need to win (back) voters. And on a deeper level, these findings raise the question whether mainstream parties need to adjust their policies on immigration.

    One important argument of mainstream politicians against populists is that once populists come to power they aim to establish dictatorships and then rule against the interest of the people. However, this argument rings hollow if mainstream parties are unwilling to acknowledge and act on the issues considered most important by the people."
     
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  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner's assertion was that liberals were the cause of the rise of the AfD. The article did NOT claim that liberals were the cause of the rise of the AfD party. It stated that the cause was that the other parties were not reflecting the immigration concerns of the people. That is a huge difference. The difference is that the article was reasonable logical and did not employ mental gymnastics.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I say it as the people say it.
    The article has to follow rules and political correctness which is good.
    Last summer spnt time whit friends from Germany, Austria and Netherlands, all Ukranian immigrants that settled in EU in different times and are classmates, some married German and Austrian spouses. Also my cousin lives in Nurenberg. They went from safe to dangerous streets and mush more.
    They confirmed/echoed what I was reading about and more.
    This is not on a level of deep analysis but more on a street level of middle class people living there.
     
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  17. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    Lol ya, people turn into Nazis because of political correctness and liberalism. Totally.
     
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  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You said it.
     
  19. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You tell me. Gee, I wonder if concentration camps they are preparing at Guantanamo and in Texas will stay limited to Hispanic migrants. And if they won't, who's more likely to end up there. Is it me? Or maybe, say, a безродный космополит asylee who after 30+ years in the country still spells "disgrace" as "deacrace" and "dessgrase"?
    The whole survival of the Jewish people past WWII is based on sniffing out a certain ideology and nipping it in the bud. Y'all losing this ability bides ill for everybody, but first and foremost the Jews themselves. That's not just a swipe at you personally - the ADL of all people chose to look the other way. Just remember how it usually turns out for y'all.
     
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  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Arab mob is attacking Jews now world wide, I will not speculate about your speculations.

    https://x.com/i/status/1894432543207837895

    If you wear a yarmalke and walk the streets, chances of violence against the Jews quadrupled since the Gaza war.

    You think your church is safe?


    Yet
    A dramatic breakthrough in the negotiations being conducted by the Americans for a significant expansion of the Abraham Accords.
    American envoy Witkoff arrives for a series of meetings in the region to close ranks.
    Not all the details are known, but according to what is already known, these are political moves that will lead to the replacement of the Shiite crescent axis around Israel with a moderate Sunni axis that includes Syria and Lebanon.
    Within this framework, Syria and Lebanon will join the political arrangements in exchange for billions that Saudi Arabia will pour into them for the purpose of rehabilitation and rebuilding the countries. Russia will maintain a military presence in Syria and will disengage from the Shiite axis, and the US will establish a large military base in Jordan and assist Egypt in building a nuclear reactor for electricity purposes.
    The Gaza Strip will be handed over to the management of American-Saudi companies, who will develop it so that it serves as a quick outlet to the Mediterranean Sea and will be used to export oil from the Gulf countries and import goods from the West.
    More details coming soon.
     

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