Fastest PhD

Messagewriter wrote:

MW,

There are no B&M or online AACSB doctoral programs in existence. AACSB doesn't accredit doctoral programs;
It only accredits business degrees at the masters level. Now, doctoral degrees from AACSB accredited schools tend to be more respected than those from RA institutions. But having an AACSB MBA will qualify you to teach at a research I university regardless of the source of your PhD (unless you are planning on tenureship).

Anyways, I'm just wondering, since NYU's masters grad program is AACSB accreditted, you are really ok as far as teaching in AACSB schools or research I universities. I think your particular business MS degree is also covered along with the MBAs.

If you really want an online doctorate from an AACSB school, you might want to check out the Grenoble Institute (in France, I believe) or Henley.

Good luck with NCU or Nova.
I like Nova a bit better because it has been around much longer and has a B&M campus, but I hear that NCU will be building one too.

S

 

sulla

Thanks. Yea, I ment AACSB B schoosl generally. AACSB B schools do seem to want to hire their own.

I'm in a more obscure part of finance: real estate. Most schools try real hard to find real world practitioners, so I'm hoping my 20+ years in the field will get me hired, making the source of my PhD less a factor. I just want a gig at a very small 4 year school or if I teach at a large university, it would likely be adjunct.

The carnagie 1 new hires really have guns to their heads for article production, and the departments are naming the journals to boot. It's a tough, brutal first few years that I'd rather skip by either doing a small school thing or adjunct. Small school publication is a near similar quality, just not the obscene volume like 3 peer reviewed pubs per year. Especially in my field of economics/finance, that's a brutal load.

Thanks again. I agree Nova's a much better degree. With loss of income plugged in at $75,000/year, Nova's $70,000 all in and NCU's about $33,000. The reality is that the loss of income is really making Nova > $100,000. I did not figure any value on the loss of a weekend per month, just work hours lost traveling, etc.

For practical reasons relating to my toleration and ultimate sucess in finishing the thing, I'll probably go with the least intrusive: NCU.

 

Check out...

Central Michigan University's
Doctorate in Health Administration

2 year didactic, 1 year dissertation
Online + (a residency seminar 1 weekend every term)
Accredited, obviously

 

OK, I think I will put my two cents in now..... AACSB Value?

First, I think there is a value to AACSB in that there arae schools that only accept AACSB lower level degrees for their graduate programs. So IF, that is IF, you want to get degree from one of those schools, then it would be of value.

Second, if you want to teach at most any AACSB school (there are exceptions), generally you need an AACSB degree. So, IF, and that is IF, you want to teach at an AACSB school, then it would be of value.

Third, there are some employers (I know of two and have personally seen it), that require AACSB for employment and education reimbursement. If you want a job at that company, that is an IF, or educational reimbursement at that company, then it would be of value.

Oko - You said above, and I usually respect your opinions, though I disagree with you at times, "that throwing away of resumes of non-AACSB schools just does not happen" (paraphrasing) - and I simply disagree. Just becuase you have not experienced it, does not mean in this entire world it does not happen. But to make your point as well is just becuase a few of us have experienced it, doesn't make it the rule, maybe what I and others have seen is the exception (but I don't think so )

The most important thing to remember is you will get what you paid and worked for. An RA degree is fine, for those that find value in it. But if you get an RA degree, and want to do one of the above, CAN you do it, maybe, but you have an uphill battle to be the exception, and not the rule.

And many have posted that an AACSB doctorate program does not exist. There are about 4-5 out there. Do your research, the US is the only ones behind the times, there are several out there, but you will need to travel etc.

 

schools with AACSB PhD,

http://www.aacsb.edu/dfc/phd-schools.asp

anybody want to post links to the DL programs?

 

Cool, so which are these 4-5 accreditted AACSB PhD?
As far as I know AACSB doesn't accreditted PhDs. Keep in mind that I'm not talking about PhDs that come from AACSB accreditted programs; you can call these AACSB PhDs if you like. But I'm talking about actual AACSB accredited PhDs. Not that this is a very important concern, but I'm just curious.

-s

 

Fed wrote:

Here's the USnews link to online AACSB accreditted MBAs.
As for PhDs online, I don't think there are many that are offered from these schools if any. But I could be wrong.


http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/elearning/tables/mba_reg_prof.htm

-S

 

I may find time to examine some other programs but a cursory review of University of Alabama:

http://www.aacsb.edu/members/Omd3/Profile_page.asp?id=17764

I looked at some others, for example, Grenoble:

http://www.aacsb.edu/members/Omd3/Profile_page.asp?id=12455

and found that the Grenoble PhD/DBA was not listed under the AACSB umbrella.

I may be reading the info wrong but it appears that AACSB does accredit PhD programs, finding the DL ones might be hard. Although I believe Henley was mentioned in this forum:

http://www.aacsb.edu/members/Omd3/Profile_page.asp?id=11340

regards,

 

Several have been named, Aston is another.

 

AACSB PHDs

What does this link imply? UABs programs are not indicated to be distance. Am I wrong?

 

I agree with Han here, you should get the best you can get. Yes, you don't need a top degree to make it life, but it definetely makes your life easier.

TUI, NCU, Capella etc fill up gap and need for higher education. These are good options for people that couldn't a doctorate otherwise. A PhD from TUI, NCU or Cappela might not be Harvard but at least give you that check mark to continue with your goals in life. However, you should always get the better you can get given your present conditions in terms of price, time, etc.

 

Sorry for the confusion, I should have been clearer in my post.

My post was in reference to whether AACSB does or does not accredited PhDs (Sulla's post). UA (UAB is actually University of Alabama-Birmingham), does not have an online Business degree (you are correct) but they do have online programs. You would actually have to go to each school on the list at the AACSB website(or school website) for the status of the programs.

 

Hmm... seems that AACSB DOES accredit doctoral programs

I just checked the AACSB's "Eligibility Procedures and Accreditation Standards for Business Accreditation."

On page 3 of the document, Section 1, item C states: "ALL [caps mine] degree programs in businessoffered by the insitution at all locations will be reviewed simultaneously." It is followed by explanations of the scope of accreditation, stating that "the accreditation process presumes inclusion of ALL [caps mine] degree programs delivered by the institution that permit 25 percent or more of the teaching for undergraduate programs or 50 percent or more of teaching for graduate programs to be in traditional business subjects."

On page 17 of the document, Section 2 ("Standards for Business Accreditation"), item 21 lists expectations from doctoral programs.

I haven't read the entire document nor do I know for a fact which particular doctoral programs have been accredited (or whether one such program has been accredited at all), but I'm sure that a more thorough check of their website will give whoever's interested more information.

 

AACSB

Whether PHD programs are specifically included or not is not known to me. I have discussed the AACSB process with folks who took their schools through this, and it's an administrative nightmare and mult-year process. The greatest implication to the DL world I believe is the number of PhDs, their research production, and that their terminal degrees be squarly alighned, as to subject, to the courses instructed.

DL is about the applied world, where practical professional experience if valued. AACSB schools, except to the extent that they utilize adjunts, are more theoretical because their faculty have not necessarily worked in the private sector, but are instead full time career academics. As an adminstrator at Nova commented when they concluded that AACSB was not worth it to them, the "learners" in their MBA program want practitioners and that's what canned the decision for Nova.

The implications to a school's "company's" payroll are enormous to boot. AACSB offering must come from established AACSB B schools, but who will be the first to take this step into the abyss? Whomever goes first will we rewarded by floods of applications, but lose their cherished seat at the table of academics at the next conference. They will be shunned to some extent for "selling out". There is a burocracy at work with entrenched thinkers. The AACSB "brand" will yield to the obvious market forces, but who knows how long that will take. They know they can take the best of the DL crowd, but currently that financial benifit is smaller than their perceived loss of face in the ivory tower. Their is no shortage of AACSB master level programs, so let's see who adds a PhD program from an AACSB school first.

 

Getting more confused

I have been reading a myriad of discussion forums as I research a good source for a DL PhD. Based on a lot of different input here are my tentative conclusions:

If value, content, and accredidation are what you want, but you don't care if the degree is credible with academia, then NCU is a good choice.

If value, content, and accredidation are what you want, and you also want some credibility with academia, then UNISA or Touro are better choices.

If all you care about is credibility with academia, then bag dl and go to a traditional B&M. Although it appears that some B&Ms like Univ of Phoenix (local campuses) may also lack credibility...

If anyone can shine light on whether or not my conclusions hit or miss the mark I would appreciate it.

 

Re: Getting more confused

There are several DL programs out there that are professionally accredited, and hold merit in all settings (including academia). I do not think the delivery holds the reputation / merit, but the school and the program itself. For example, Henley has a doctorate program, and it is AACSB accredited and a highly regarded school. This degree, in any setting, though DL, would hold merit in all arenas.

 

Re: Re: Getting more confused

I agree with Han here, it is quite common to finish a PhD externally (note that they don't call it DL but external degree) in the UK or Australia as many professors have earned their degree externally. The main issue appears that in the US, the private sector has profit from the fact that traditional schools have not offered flexible PhD programs in the past. The lack of credibility of DL PhDs is not because they were earned by using DL but because they come from schools that are not research institutions but money makers.

It seems that academics believe that there is a conflict between making money and offering good education as private institutions are driven by profits. The solution would be to have more traditional state US schools offering PhD programs that could raise the credibility of this type of education.

 

Thanks!

Your input helps to put my conclusions in a better perspective. I'll have to consider the international school offerings as well.

 

Re: Getting more confused

While I will freely admit that this is not an area of expertise for me, the above statement seems unduly broad. As I interpret this statement, david is saying that any B&M degree will trump any DL degree within this area. I believe that such statements should be supported with data. I'm wondering if david has such data or if he is only offering an opinion. david?
Is this only an opinion or can you offer evidence?
Jack

 

Re: Re: Getting more confused

Jack,

Just do a google with the keywords like Nova, PhD, DBA , professor and you will see many professors teaching with a credential from this school. Now do a google search with schools like Capella, TUI and NCU and see the results. Of course this is not enough to prove that online schools have low acceptability in academia but it gives a good indication of the reality.