Famine is Very Near in Gaza Again

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  1. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Lol okay, listen to Richard Tice but not investigative journalists. Conformation bias.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Confirmation bias and Grasping at straws mean the same thing. Where does the saying "grasping at straws" come from?

    The idea is that a drowning person is desperate and will even grasp at some floating straws in the hope that it will keep them afloat. It is human nature for people, some more than others, to believe any information that supports what they want to believe. That is even if it is extremely flimsy evidence. For Lerner he just loves grasping at straws. His confirmation bias is almost always overwhelming to him. That way he gets to believe almost anything that he wants to believe.
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    GB News is an unreliable questionable source for news, according to MediaBiasFactCheck.com. They've only been around for a couple of years or so and the failed fact checks list is already bad.

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/gb-news-uk-bias/
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Trump threatens to invade Gaza!

    President Trump continues to surprise me. Is he really this stupid? Or, is he not being serious? I really can't tell. Either way I think it is stupid.

    Trump threatens to ‘go in and kill’ Hamas if group doesn’t stop killing in Gaza
    quote:
    President Donald Trump on Thursday warned that if Hamas keeps killing people in Gaza, “we will have no choice but to go in and kill them,” marking a sharp escalation of his rhetoric against the group as he tries to maintain a ceasefire in its conflict with Israel.
    https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/16/politics/trump-hamas-warning-gaza
     
  5. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    President of Peace
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    Bill,
    I read it as a warning to Hamas that the U.S. supports Israel's right to act decisively.
    Unless he explicitly says “U.S. troops will be deployed,” we can't assume that's what he means.
    Based on the quote and the context, it's likely that Pr. Trump is using strong language, but not necessarily committing to a direct U.S. military intervention in Gaza.
    I think when it comes to US troops, Pr. Trump, often uses aggressive language to project strength, yet his actual policies have tended to be more cautious about putting U.S. troops into conflicts.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Why would Israel want to go in and attack Hamas for being evil a-holes and killing their own people?
     
  8. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    So Trump is threatening to let Israel break the ceasefire?
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    My understanding is that US and Israel’s demand is for Hamas to disarm.
    The goal of the war was twofold — to bring the hostages home and to defeat Hamas and other militant factions, with Hamas as the main target.
    Israel will not settle for anything less.
    That’s the next stage in President Trump’s plan — and failure by Hamas to disarm would be a direct violation of it.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    My understanding is that
    the disarmament was a key demand in the peace plan put forth by U.S. President Donald Trump in October 2025, but Hamas has repeatedly rejected the condition.
    Key points regarding the disarmament issue:
    • Disarmament is "ruled out": A Hamas political bureau member explicitly told Agence France-Presse on October 12, 2025, that "disarmament is totally ruled out and not negotiable".
    • Statements from Trump: On October 14, 2025, President Trump stated that Hamas would disarm, claiming the group had told him "through intermediaries" that they would. However, he also issued a warning that if they refused, "we will disarm them".
    • Ceasefire and hostage deal: The October 2025 agreement that Hamas did sign focused on the release of hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners and a temporary ceasefire, not disarmament.
    • Future of disarmament: Disarmament remains one of the most contentious issues of the peace plan and is a key obstacle to a lasting peace, as Israel continues to demand that Hamas give up its weapons.
     

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  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Once upon a time, Barcelona was known as a city of sports, culture, and tourism, all with a distinctly European flair.
    Today it’s occupied by Middle Eastern immigrants who riot in the streets violently and destroy the city.
    Why did they go out to demonstrate and riot in the streets yesterday? To protest the genocide in Gaza.
    Yes, yes, while there is a ceasefire, Israel hasn’t operated against Hamas in several days, and Hamas is executing and murdering dozens of Gazans…
    In the city of Barcelona, they went out to demonstrate against Israel and even vandalized branches of McDonald's, Burger King, and Starbucks because these companies won’t surrender to their will and boycott Israel.
    Barcelona has fallen.
    It used to be Messi's city, but today it’s Hamas's city!

     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Israel is dreaming if they think that Hamas is going to give up ALL of their weapons. That would be as silly as if one expected all police in California to disarm. It really makes no sense. It would be far more likely for Hamas to agree to disband, IMHO.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Plus, you're just changing the subject.

    The question was, "Why would Israel want to go in and attack Hamas for being evil a-holes and killing their own people?"

    Then you instead of answering the question you stated that Israel might attack if Hamas refused to disarm. That is two different questions. o_O:rolleyes::confused::mad::cool:
     
  14. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    The Spanish are Hamas. Confirmed.
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Since there is no response, my conclusion is that you agree with me that it was a stupid thing for Trump to say but you just don’t want to believe it.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, I maintain my response was addressing your post. Those are the same subject. The emphasis is on disarming the Hamas, but also to stop Hamas from killing Gazans.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Not quite — listen to the video. The protesters aren’t speaking/shouting Spanish; they’re speaking and shouting Arabic. These demonstrations weren’t led by native Spaniards, but by Middle Eastern immigrants.

    Many Spaniards are frustrated and angry with their government’s immigration policies — and they’re not alone. People in Italy, the UK, France, and across the EU are increasingly voicing regret over allowing in large numbers of radical Islamists who now push agendas incompatible with European values.

    Countries like Hungary and Poland made a different choice and have largely avoided this kind of unrest by securing their borders. Spain, unfortunately, is now paying the price — as are cities like Barcelona, which has changed dramatically from what it once was.
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Trump did not mention anything about disarming. You made that up out of thin air in a desperate attempt to make Trump’s stupid statement make sense.

    It would make zero sense for Israel to attack Gaza again to stop evil Hamas from killing its own people. You know that is true even if it means Trump’s statement is stupid. You just can’t admit Trump’s statement is stupid.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    President Donald Trump did demand the disarming of Hamas around the time of his sharp warning that if Hamas continued killing in Gaza, "we will have no choice but to go in and kill them." He has been very vocal in insisting that Hamas must disarm as part of his 20-point peace plan for Gaza.
    Pr. Trump has stated that Hamas must disarm or the U.S. will take action to disarm them, explicitly warning that the process could be violent if Hamas does not comply.
    He communicated that Hamas had indicated they would disarm, but if they fail to do so, forceful disarmament would follow.
    Pr Trump emphasized that he is serious about this demand and has communicated it directly or through intermediaries to Hamas.
    This demand and threat of violent disarmament coincide with the ceasefire efforts and hostage exchanges brokered in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas.
    His ultimatum for disarmament carries the implication of a potential military intervention if Hamas does not comply peacefully.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr034p5prlo

    Trump demands Hamas disarm as group moves to assert control with public execution
    2 days ago


    Merlyn Thomas, Matt Murphy, Benedict Garman & Shayan SardarizadehBBC Verify
     
  20. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Spain was once an Arabic country. They still have alot of Arabic influence there.
     

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