Famine is Very Near in Gaza Again

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It means anti-Israel posts are helping those who attacked Israel all these times.
    UN is biased and non-trustworthy, it seems at times that they are obsessed only with Israel.
    Israel is attacking the Gaza Hamas military where ever they are, that's what it means.
    Just like US and allies attacked Nazis military in Berlin, or ISIS in Iraq etc.
    IDF provides advanced warning and allows civilians to evacuate. Show me with terrorists do that?
    Who is using civilians as human shields?
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2025
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Pointing out that 14 groups, organizations, committees, and commissions have concluded that Israel is committing genocide was not done to help Hamas. I want to help Israel and the USA to do better. I don’t like Israel committing genocide. I don’t like us helping Israel to commit genocide. This is just hurting both Israel and the USA in the long run. Israel’s reputation is getting bad, really bad. The far right radical zealots that are Netanyahu’s government have to stop committing genocide.
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think
    Israel gov needs to pay attention to the report even if they disagree with it, and also to Israeli voices, such as Ehud Olmert, former PM, as well as former IDF Chief.
    But from what I see, in the news, Israel is escalating the war against Hamas and going to destroy Gaza completely until Hamas capitulates and hostages released.
    Approved budget to establish new cities in West Bank and control over the whole land of Israel.

    On another hand we see Arabs uniting and Egypt calling Israel enemy, the agreement with Egypt is in the lowest and may break any time now.
    Arab NATO is underway, mounting isolation among countries and even Spain PM wishing Israels destruction by wishing Spain had nukes etc.
    Abraham accords are also in danger.
    I don't see the war ending anytime soon.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Local clans across Gaza are pushing back against Hamas control, forming understandings with the IDF and fighting in areas under pressure from Israel’s military offensive.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/armed-gaza-clans-turn-hamas-204024387.html
    As the IDF intensifies its ground offensive in the Gaza Strip, armed clans across the territory have begun asserting local control and, in some cases, directly challenging Hamas rule, sources said Wednesday.

    Military officials said several clans have deployed hundreds of armed operatives at key entry points to prevent Hamas security forces from regaining control.
    Among the forces active on the ground isHamas’s “Arrow Unit,” a violent internal enforcement squad responsible for arrests, attacks, and executions of suspected collaborators with Israel.

    According to security assessments, these local groups have come to understand that Israel is determined to dismantle the Gaza City Brigade, led byIzz al-Din al-Haddad, and have identified the mass movement of civilians southward as a strategic vulnerability for Hamas.

    Some of the clans, including the Abu Shabab group, are said to have reached an informal arrangement with the IDF and the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency). Under the reported understanding, clan members have remained in place in Gaza City without evacuating south, while benefiting from a safe zone established in coordination with Israeli forces and utilizing a protected corridor for humanitarian assistance.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Israel is losing support in the USA. The Gaza war is costing Israel public support within the USA. Support is cratering within the Democratic party. It is going down in the Republican party as well.

    My personal opinion is that all USA support for Israel should be terminated, at least until the Gaza war is over. My tendency would be to say no more support for Israel as long as Netanyahu is in power. Under Netanyahu Israel is a bad country.

    Growing number of Americans say U.S. supports Israel too much in Gaza war, poll shows
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/09/18/israel-gaza-us-support-poll/
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Yes. Among Democrats - Disapproval stands at 60%, with Democratic support plummeting to just 8%, while Republican approval remains relatively high at 71%.
    The partisan divide is stark, with Democrats and independents largely opposing continued U.S. military support for Israel, while Republicans mostly maintain their backing.
    However, support is eroding across both parties to some extent as the humanitarian impact of the war becomes more widely known.

    Your view reflects the current sentiment among many Americans who associate Israeli policies under Netanyahu with increased conflict and humanitarian concerns.
    So your post accurately reflects the current trend of declining support for Israel in the U.S., especially within the Democratic Party, influenced heavily by the Gaza war and Netanyahu’s leadership.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/democratic-led-us-senate-resolution-205438946.html

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) -A group of U.S. senators introduced on Thursday the first Senate resolution to urge recognition of a Palestinian state, further signaling a shift in Washington sentiment toward Israel nearly two years into its war with Hamas in the Gaza Strip.
    Democrat Jeff Merkley of Oregon, who is leading the effort, said in a statement: "America has a responsibility to lead, and the time to act is now."

    The resolution urges U.S. recognition of a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside a secure Israel and would offer both sides hope while boosting prospects for peace, Merkley said.
    Basically, I think what existed in PA,. But Oct 7th war reduced the 2 state possibility from Israel point of view.

    I don't think it will pass in 2025 or 2026 etc, GOP will not support it, Republicans have a 53-47 majority.

    Anybody believes there will be - demilitarized Palestinian state?
     
  8. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Democrats have been pro-Israel and still are, so I dont understand your argument.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This was a reply to Bill's post.
    Just a current snapshot.
    Things may change.
    And I maybe wrong about the %.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner was just referencing the poll results in the article that I linked.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The Islamists Mayor of Dearborn, Michigan, Abdullah Hammoud, told a Christian resident, Edward "Ted" Barham, that he was "not welcome" in the city after Barham objected to naming a street after Osama Siblani, an Arab American journalist who has publicly defended terrorist groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas. Barham criticized the street sign honoring Siblani, comparing it to naming a street after Hezbollah or Hamas and cited Siblani's support for violence and terrorist groups, sparking a heated confrontation at a city council meeting.

    Mayor Hammoud accused Barham of being a bigot, racist, and Islamophobe and declared that although Barham lives in Dearborn, he was not welcome there and threatened to launch a parade celebrating the day Barham moves out. The street signs were approved by Wayne County and not the city council, but the mayor praised Siblani's service to the Arab-American community during the unveiling. This incident has ignited national controversy, with critics accusing the mayor of intolerance toward dissent and supporters viewing his stance as standing up against anti-Muslim rhetoric.

    Osama Siblani is a polarizing figure with a history of statements supporting Hezbollah and Hamas, including calls for resistance that may involve weapons and praise for terrorist leaders. Ted Barham, who has a background in ministry and theology, responded to the mayor’s comments with "God bless you" and emphasized his commitment to freedom of speech and faith, while also encouraging peaceful coexistence and dialogue between Muslims and Christians in the community.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The UN vehicles were stolen, and Hamas terrorists placed sandbags on the route to prevent new attempts to deliver aid.

    Hamas prevented the opening of anew humanitarian route to deliver aid across the southern Gaza Strip by firing at UN vehicles, the Coordination of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) said on Saturday.

    “Even as the State of Israel works together with the UN and international organizations to expand the scope of humanitarian aid, Hamas is desperate to thwart this, thereby once again abandoning the residents it claims to represent and enslaving them to ensure its survival. I strongly condemn the attack on UN workers by Hamas. We will not allow Hamas to once again create false narratives of a crisis in the Gaza Strip, and we will continue to expose its cruelty."

    https://x.com/cogatonline/status/1969439803780579810?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1969439803780579810%7Ctwgr%5E357637908d4cef8e2bfe1a1e1615de5efcf2733d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jpost.com%2Fmiddle-east%2Farticle-868163

    During UN work to open a new route for the movement of trucks from Kerem Shalom to the humanitarian area in the southern Gaza Strip, armed Hamas terrorists threatened and deliberately fired at a UN team operating at the site and forced them out of the work area.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This would be extremely interesting if it was real news. X is called social media because it is not a source of news.
     
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  14. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Israeli Propaganda
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That is obviously true. But it would be interesting to know who made it up.

    The reason I assume someone made it up is because if it was true a real news source would have printed it. Because like I said it would be very interesting.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Southern Gaza is currently the main area where civilians are finding refuge. It can shelter million more, It’s where people escaping Gaza City are being hosted and provided aid. Unfortunately, Hamas has repeatedly tried to disrupt and derail those relief efforts, making the situation even harder for civilians on the ground.

    Maybe UN needs help from US bikers, i.e Veterans, who know how to secure the aid delivery?

    The incident followed another reported theft on September 19, in which UNICEF trucks carrying therapeutic food for malnourished children were hijacked at gunpoint in Gaza City.
     
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  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Ignoring the fake news part of the post, I see. Oh wait, that was the whole post not a part.

    Regarding the assertion in your post about there being plenty of room for people to flee south, there was an article linked here a few days ago that did an analysis of that assertion and said it was a false statement.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2025
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    No fake news.
    No assertion, 400,000 to 500,000 new arrivals already found refuge there.
    I read the article, and the analysis but reality will prove it mostly inaccurate.

    UN spokespersons reported new attacks on aid convoys and food sites in Gaza on September 20 and 21, 2025, they did not specifically confirm Hamas shooting at aid trucks on these dates.
    But it's Hamas who is doing all it can to stop civilians from escaping Gaza city.
    Hamas fears to runout of human shields.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2025
  19. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    COGAT, which is part of Israeli Defense, posted it. So possibly them.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    UN spokespersons reported new attacks on aid convoys and food sites in Gaza on September 20 and 21, 2025, they did not specifically confirm Hamas shooting at aid trucks on these dates.

    COGAT makes sense, they are there.
     

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