Famine is Very Near in Gaza Again

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Bill Huffman, May 4, 2025.

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  1. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    It isnt an accident that Israel continues to bomb schools, hospitals, libraries, and people’s homes knowing full well it will kill children. They just decided Palestinian children dont matter.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israel is not deliberately targeting civilians or children—it is targeting terrorist infrastructure. There is extensive documentation that Hamas systematically uses schools, mosques, hospitals, and residential areas as cover for weapons storage, tunnel access points, and command centers.
    This is not speculation; it has been confirmed by independent journalists, satellite imagery, and international organizations. Hamas’ strategy is to embed itself within civilian populations to maximize casualties for propaganda purposes. This is a form of human shielding and sacrifice—a war crime under international law.
    So while tragic civilian deaths occur, they are the direct result of Hamas’ tactics, not because Israel “decided Palestinian children don’t matter.” The real tragedy is that Hamas is willing to turn every civilian space into a battlefield, putting innocent people—including children—at risk.
     
  3. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Even if this was true, does that then make it okay? If someone takes someone else hostage it is okay to just kill the hostage?
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This is the reason I hate war.
    I personally think any military has to do as much as posible to prevent civilian catualties. But who an I?
    But you know it's not simply takes someone hostage. It's attack and war they started, and if not taken out they will continue Gaza and Israel suffering.

    But wars happen, disputes exist, each side has their truth.
    Hamas and a like are deliberately targeting civilians.
    IDF is not. But when bombs are falling
    in combat areas, it's safer for civilians if they evacuate.
    At least in areas of South Gaza some kids are back to school, and Al Shabab providing some Policing, aid is distributed. North Gaza is a different situation.
    War is going on, every day people are being killed because of the fighting.
    Hamas has the key to end the war.
    But they rather sacrifice more civilians.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The answer is yes. Since the goal is clearing out the Gazans, every little bit helps. Why else create a famine and commit genocide?
     
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  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, the Israeli government has a duty to protect all its citizens—Jews, Arabs, Christians, Druze, and other minorities. When attacks come from Gaza, the north, or anywhere else, it is obligated to respond to stop them. That’s exactly what is happening.
    If Hamas had not launched rockets, invaded communities, and murdered civilians—including children and women—on October 7, none of this conflict would be happening. The suffering in Gaza is a direct consequence of Hamas’ actions, not a goal of Israel.
    Accusations of genocide and deliberate famine ignore the reality that:
    Israel facilitates humanitarian aid into Gaza daily, even while under fire.
    Hamas stockpiling resources for fighters and tunnels rather than civilians.
    Civilians are used as human shields, with rockets and tunnels deliberately placed in schools, mosques, and homes.
    These aren’t conspiracies—they’re documented facts. Blaming Israel alone oversimplifies a complex war started by Hamas and fueled by its strategy of sacrificing its own population for propaganda.
     
  7. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    “It became necessary to destroy the town to save it"
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    If Hamas hadn’t started this war, the town would be safe.
    Terrorism and rocket attacks brought devastation to both sides.
    Don’t start wars—make peace, not war.
     
  9. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.”
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Quoting Orwell doesn’t change the facts: Hamas started this war.
    If they hadn’t attacked civilians and murdered families on October 7, Gaza would not be in ruins today.
    Peace starts when terrorism stops.
     
  11. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    The conflict that led to this has been going on long before Oct 7th.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes, and Hamas started the war. So Netanyahu is using this opportunity to cause mass famine and genocide to try to “cleanse” Gaza of their hated biblical and modern day enemy. He’s wallowing in hate even more so than Lerner.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, what “biblical enemy” are you talking about? That’s historical revisionism—an old tactic used by Israel’s detractors.

    The Philistines of the Bible were a distinct Aegean people who disappeared from history after being conquered and exiled by the Babylonians around 500 BC. They have no connection to today’s Palestinians, who are primarily the result of waves of Arab migration and conquest beginning in the 7th century during the Islamic Jihad expansion, as well as later migration under Ottoman and British rule.

    Before 1967, Jordan controlled the West Bank and Egypt controlled Gaza—yet no one called for a Palestinian state under their rule. The modern Palestinian nationalist movement only emerged in the 1960s under the PLO, heavily influenced and supported by Soviet intelligence during the Cold War.

    Trying to frame this as some ancient biblical grudge is a distortion of both history and today’s reality. The conflict is modern, political, and driven by terrorism—not some mythical vendetta.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    No arguing here, but the Palestinian Terror is what caused Gaza to be destroyed. So while 100 years of Arabs of Palestine and Arab states around trying to kill Israel or pre-Israel settlement, God so far didn't allow it.
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I don't know the details and I really don't care about those details. You are the one that has referenced biblical enemies in the past in the region as examples supporting your historical hatred arguments.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't recall ever referring to them as biblical enemies.
    I do recall calling Jew haters as Amalekites.
    But this ar really began in 610.
    And again for Israel in 1948 by Arabs attacking Israel.
    Israel has to defend it self from terrorists and hostiles from South, North and other locations.
    The sooner the terror destroyed the sooner war will end.
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I saw a news article on TV about an encounter in the Gaza war. There was an Al Jazeera journalist at the roof of a hospital on the top of the fire escape. He was bombed and killed by the IDF. As the rescue personnel arrived the IDF bombed again. It was all caught on video. That is called a "double tap". One bombs then bombs the same area a little later to kill the rescue personnel. This tactic is used to intimidate rescue personnel and make them not want to do their job. It's become a favorite IDF tactic. Of course, the IDF reported that they were attacking a Hamas camera.

    quote:
    Mohammad Salama, an Al Jazeera journalist, was killed on August 25, 2025, in an Israeli "double-tap" airstrike on Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Younis. He was killed alongside four other journalists. Witnesses reported the first missile hit the roof area where a group of journalists were filming, and a second strike hit a stairwell minutes later as rescuers and other journalists arrived.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu publicly referred to the incident as a "tragic mishap," expressing regret for the deaths and announcing that an inquiry had been ordered . The IDF also stated that the strike targeted what troops believed to be a Hamas-operated surveillance camera, though no evidence was publicly supplied to support this claim .
    Thus, while the Israel Defense Forces did not admit intent to kill civilians or journalists, they did accept that the strike was a mistake—something that should never have occurred—and have initiated an official investigation.

    Yesturday and Israeli solder was killed by friendly fire, totaling 900 IDF solders killed in Gaza war.
    was has heavy cost in life, etc
    Hope it ends soon.

    War brings destruction,
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The common response which minimizes the bad press as much as possible. Of course nothing ever comes from these inquires.

    I will guess that after Netanyahu makes his public statement he goes into his private office laughs in delight. Then calls up the commander that ordered the strike and congratulates him and tells him to keep up the great work.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don’t do mind-reading. What leaders do privately is unknowable; what matters is policy and results.
    My concern is simple: end the war so rockets and kidnappings don’t start again, bring the hostages home, and block any process that turns a terror regime into a “legitimate” actor via UN politics. Debate actions and outcomes—not fantasies about what someone “must be thinking.”
     

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