Famine is Very Near in Gaza Again

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I have to agree, of course. There’s no doubt in my mind that Israel is purposefully causing the famine. But considering the source of the post I thought it relatively very accurate. ;)
     
  2. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Netanyahu wanted to cause famine not prevent it. He likes it because he wants the Palestinians dead or out of Gaza. That’s the radical far right goal. The famine might force the ideal outcome for him which would be for Egypt to allow them to immigrate to Egypt. The secondary prize would be for the Gazans to rebel against Hamas because they would be so desperate.
     
  4. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Hard to rebel when you are starving to death.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    True, I didn’t claim it was likely. Only that Netanyahu is hoping for as a lesser possibility.

    I did read that Israel has had some discussions with Egypt on allowing some into Egypt. It said the response was anger and yelling on the Egyptian side.
     
  6. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    I had a very secular upbringing. We were the only Jews around with exception of a family where the mother was the oldest daughter of the chief rabbi of the main synagogue in the capital, but we always thought they were a bit weird with their emphasis on being Jewish without ever actually celebrating a single holiday. Not that we were any better: sure, we knew about when to expect the major holidays, but when we were kids, we sort of concentrated on Chanukkah and Purim, but the rest of the holidays went largely unnoticed. My interest in religion and my heritage came later, thanks to the influence of my maternal grandfather, who was a Christian, but quite knowledgeable about the central values of Judaism as well. Irrespective of whose fault everything is, and who started it, what I see on television and read in newspapers is in violation of anything and everything I'd consider key values in both Judaism and Christianity. I don't know how to express exactly how I feel about what's happening, other than in the words of Mirah:

    We celebrate the wars we won
    The blood of history's ancient sons
    We followed judah maccabee
    We fought against iniquity
    We saved ourselves with help from one
    Who loves his children, everyone
    Everyone, everyone Everyone, everyone
    So now jerusalem, you know that it's not right
    After all you've been through, you should know better than
    To become the wicked ones almighty god once saved you from
    The lessons we should learn from all
    The fighting in the days of old
    When providence was still divine
    The sanctuary purified
    Let lightning circle all you hold
    And then uproot the olive grove
    So now jerusalem, you know that it's not right
    After all you've been through, you should know better than
    To become the wicked ones almighty god once saved you from
    So now jerusalem, you know that it's not right
    After all you've been through, you should know better than
    To become the wicked ones almighty god once saved you from

     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That’s a real tear jerker. Thanks for sharing.

    I dated a Jewish girl for years and have a best friend that’s Jewish. I am generally on the same side as the Israeli government. But not the Netanyahu government. I think a good percentage of Israelis are getting tired of this war and killing and want to just end it and get all the hostages home.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

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    Conflict and wars, including religious conflicts.

    In 1950, Gaza had about 3,000–5,000 Christians.
    Today, there are only about 1,000–1,300 left, mostly Greek Orthodox.
    That’s indeed a dramatic decline (about –70% to –80%).
    In 1950, Israel’s Christian population was roughly 34,000–40,000.
    By 2022, Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics reported about 182,000 Christians.
    That’s indeed about a ~440–450% increase over 70+ years.
    BUT: Christians are still a small minority (about 1.9% of Israel’s total population today). Most of the growth is partly natural increase and partly immigration (esp. from the former USSR in the 1990s, when many people registered as Christians/Jewish families with mixed heritage).
    2. West Bank
    In 1950, Christians were around 7–8% of the West Bank population.
    Today, they are ~1–2%, with the largest community in Bethlehem and Ramallah.
    This is indeed a sharp decline, but it’s not just “Palestinian rule.” The period covers Israeli rule as well .
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    In Gaza City, Hamas remains very much in control, and multiple reports estimate that as much as up to 80% of aid is diverted to them or distributed through their networks. That’s not the same situation as in Southern Gaza, where their grip is weaker and conditions differ. So while others may bear some responsibility, Hamas’s role in aid diversion and its impact on famine conditions cannot be overlooked.
    Indeed Israel beseech Gaza city has effect on famine there as well.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    All the articles I've read on this subject indicate that Israel's claims about Hamas absconding with a large percentage of aid is unproven and not likely true.

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    Reports in 2025, including a U.S. government analysis, have found no evidence of widespread, systematic theft of humanitarian aid by Hamas. However, there is evidence that Hamas benefits from or interferes with aid to a smaller degree and through other means, while Israel and other aid organizations accuse the group of more substantial diversion.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    My understanding this is not the case for North Gaza, Gaza City..
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    There is no evidence of a large percentage of aid going to Hamas. I understand that Israel propaganda says differently. That is propaganda, not evidence.
     
  13. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Yes, Christians are leaving the open air prison that is Gaza. A church just got blown up a month ago by Israeli.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The #'s I posted are pre war 2023.
    They are living also because of harassment by Jihadists..
     
  15. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    My point still stands.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    So is mine
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Christians are harassed mostly by Islamists. PA is harassing them in Beith Lehem, Jihadists in Gaza, etc
    Christians are not escaping Nazareth.
    Tell alot.
    Is it perfect? No
    In Beth Lehem there problems with setlers but nothing to compare to abuse by Palestinian Atority.
    Real ethnic cleansing is against Christians and Jews.
     
  18. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    I’d call the bombing of churches and killing clergy members by Israel a form of harassment and ethnic cleaning. No less real than other forms.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You know very well that neither churches nor clergy were targeted by Israel.
    In war, destruction sometimes occurs as a tragic byproduct of fighting, but that is not the same as deliberate targeting.
    The truth is, the church itself was not the target.
    But I can see how Hamas propoganda can capitalize on this.
     
  20. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Report shows rise in attacks on Christians in Israel, but a willingness to tackle issue
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-shows-rise-in-attacks-on-christians-in-israel-but-a-willingness-to-tackle-issue/amp/

     

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