Famine is Very Near in Gaza Again

More than 40 arrested at protest against Gaza war at Trump hotel in New York
Protest led by Jewish American group IfNotNow demand White House pressure Israel to let more aid into territory
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/04/gaza-protest-trump-hotel-new-york

 

I didn't realize how much I needed a really good laugh! Thank you!!

 

Hamas propaganda, and political agendas that piggyback fuels many news outlets, affects many good people, there are Jews of all kinds of walks of life, so I'm not surprised or amused.
There are Neturey Karta, you heard of them? They are against formation of the state of Israel and support Iranian regime. So what?
If anything, it's democracy.

Those who protested in NY and got arrested, may want to visit Israel, maybe reside in South Israel, have their children there, I think very fast they will adjust their views to more realistic ones. Being 1000s miles away is not the same. But I'm glad they are not indifferent. Misguided but not indifferent. And there are many voices in Israel that also want to end the war in Gaza.

 

The killings of civilians in Gaza must stop, Hamas must go.

 

Netanyahu says Israel intends to take full control of all of Gaza
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1mpe9x80xvt

Seems like quite the escalation. I suspect if they take it over they will have more control of all the Hummus propaganda that leaves Gaza.

 

My guess is that Netanyahu is dragging this Gaza war out to the maximum extent that he can. The war is a good excuse to keep getting delays on his four year old corruption trial. As an added bonus to him, there are radical far right members of his ruling coalition that want the war and genocide to continue. They ideally want the Palestinians to disappear and for Gaza to be made part of Israel.

 

There was strong opposition to allowing such a situation to develop. While Israel has already secured about 75% of Gaza, key areas such as Gaza City and several surrounding refugee camps remain under terrorist control and have yet to be fully cleared. Hamas benefits from this prolonged conflict — these remaining strongholds serve as both a physical base of operations and a propaganda tool, enabling them to claim endurance, rally supporters, and draw international pressure on Israel.


Hamas wants this war prolonged.
Hamas’s identity is built on perpetual conflict with Israel. A prolonged war keeps them relevant in Palestinian politics and among sympathetic groups abroad.
Prolonged civilian suffering draws global condemnation of Israel, often overshadowing Hamas’s role in causing it.

 

Secured is an interesting way to say leveled.

 

Hamas has built an extensive arsenal over years, including underground tunnels and weapons stored in many houses. While some of Hamas's missile capabilities have been diminished, they still possess guns, explosives, and continue to use them in Gaza. Hard work needed to expose where Hamas gets its weapons, implicitly pointing toward external support and smuggling. The scale of Hamas's arsenal found in Gaza, is the "largest Turk kingdom on earth" (referring metaphorically to the scale and entrenchment of Hamas's military presence underground and in populated areas). This aligns with the notion that Hamas maintains a significant stockpile despite ongoing conflict and Israeli strikes.

BBC published recently how Hamas is paying salaries. - According to a recent BBC report, Hamas is continuing to pay salaries to its members in Gaza despite the ongoing conflict. The payments are described as cash-based, with recipients reportedly collecting about $300 every 10 weeks, which amounts to roughly 20% of their pre-war wages. The total payout for these salaries is estimated to be around $7 million.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1kz42j92jmo

 

So you're saying that the IDF had to destroy almost all of the housing in Gaza because some of those houses had Hamas weapons. I guess it was just an added bonus then that the Palestinians would have no place to live and would have to live like rats?

Interesting article. Iran supported the Hamas military and Qatar supported the Hamas government, at least prior to the war. That makes sense.

 

I think you are distorting what I'm saying. As usual , But each person can derive what they want.
I posted comments of Israels FM. There was a video, I can share the link.
All info I have is from news outlets etc.
In summary, the metaphor used by Israel’s FM is consistent with verified evidence that Hamas has an enormous, well-entrenched as on-ground and underground military infrastructure acting as a resilient base for its operations.

Hamas's arsenal included:

• Between 18,000 to 30,000 rockets and missiles at the start of recent conflicts, with ranges that can reach major Israeli cities like Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
  nti-tank guided missiles such as the Russian-made Kornet and possibly North Korean types.
• Suicide drones modeled on Iranian technology.
  Large quantities of small arms, including modified AK-47s, sniper rifles, machine guns, and heavy weapons.A network of an estimated 40,000 fighters involved in fighting against Israeli forces, with some having received training abroad.
• Hamas has constructed a highly developed tunnel system beneath Gaza, referred to by Israeli forces as the "Gaza Metro," consisting of hundreds of miles of tunnels (estimates vary from around 300 to over 450 miles) with hundreds to thousands of shafts and access points. These tunnels are deep underground, in some cases as far as 30-50 meters below the surface.
• The tunnel and underground infrastructure functions as a multi-layered subterranean city, complete with leadership command centers, fighter quarters, communication lines, electricity, ventilation, water, and supplies, enabling Hamas forces to operate, hide, move, and survive even under intense Israeli bombardment and siege. The tunnels are reinforced and equipped with modern amenities like air conditioning and blast doors, showing significant investment and strategic planning over many years, costing up to a billion dollars. https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/GAZA-TUNNELS/gkvldmzorvb/
• These tunnels are often dug beneath and connected to civilian structures such as schools, hospitals, mosques, and residential buildings. This integration complicates Israeli military efforts and is part of Hamas’s defensive and legal strategy, as attacking these tunnels risks civilian casualties and infrastructure damage. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67097124

 

Well NotJoeBiden made a comment about your response indicating you had a strange way of referring to the destruction of almost all buildings in Gaza. That is saying they were secured. You then responded to him about the IDF having to do that because Hamas used random buildings in Gaza to store weapons. So, I don't see what I distorted? Or, are you saying that my guess at the added bonus was really the driving factor?

 

Bill, Hamas was the one who destroyed them, Israel just secured them with bombs. It is very simple.

 

Israel fought Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists, along with their military infrastructure and supporters — the very groups that initiated this war. Gaza is unlike any other battlefield; the way the fighting unfolded has been controversial, and even within Israel there has been strong criticism, including from IDF ground forces, over the scale and manner of the IAF’s bombing. I understand what you’re saying.

There are indeed Israelis who oppose this approach to war, and they are vocal. There are also a small minority who think Gaza — along with Judea, Samaria, and all of Jerusalem — should be fully settled by Israelis. But unlike among Palestinians, where the desire to see Israel destroyed is widespread, these views in Israel are held by a fringe minority.

Before 2023, roughly 2 million Palestinians lived in Israel as full citizens. How many Jews or Israelis lived in Gaza? None. That alone answers the accusation of “ethnic cleansing.”
Some Israelis believe, that security is better served if Israeli settlements are everywhere in Gaza. This is the best answer to Hamas and a like ideology.
Also, they believe article 80 of UN preserves this right to settle in all the areas of Mandate that were granted by League of Nations. Lebanon, Syria, Iraq have their borders, Israel has its. Partition is possible, but Palestinians don't want to partition to want all of it.

Golda Meir said: “When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”

 

Israel’s security cabinet early Friday approved a plan to take control of Gaza City, which is meant to help accomplish “the five principles for concluding the war‚” shared by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office.

The five principles released Thursday on a social media post from Netanyahu’s office, are:

• The return of all 50 hostages, 20 of whom are believed to still be alive.
  
  
• The disarming of Hamas.
  
  
• Israeli security control over the enclave.
  
  
• The demilitarization of Gaza.
  
  
• The establishment of an alternative civilian administration that is neither Hamas nor the Palestinian Authority.
  

 

Israeli’s dont live in Antartica either! Must be “ethnic cleansing”.

 

Mind you the “demilitarization of Gaza” only applies to Gazans and not the Israelis occupying Gaza.

 

Well, militarized Gaza proved to be a disaster for Gazans and Israelis.

Maybe things will de-escalate
Report: Egypt and Qatar are working on a new proposal to include the release of all hostages
According to the Associated Press, the proposal will include the release of all the hostages, the living and the dead, in exchange for the end of the war in Gaza and the IDF withdrawal. The new proposal is supported by the Gulf states, which fear the instability in the region

 

Ohhh what an" intelligent" response
Jews lived in Gaza, even during Mandate times. So yes, it is ethnic cleansing of Jews.
You twist things, knowing I'm right.

• Gaza had a small but notable Jewish community, including the famous 17th-century rabbi and mystic Nathan of Gaza, who was central to the Sabbatean movement.
  
  
• The community often lived in a designated Jewish quarter, engaging in commerce and religious scholarship.

British Mandate Period (1917–1948)

• By the early 20th century, the Jewish population in Gaza was small.
  
  
• In 1929, during the Arab riots in British Mandate Palestine, the remaining Jews in Gaza were forced to leave, similar to what happened in Hebron and other places.

Modern Era – Gush Katif (1967–2005)

• After Israel captured/liberated Gaza in 1967, Jewish agricultural settlements were established in the Gush Katif bloc and elsewhere.
  
  
• " A HUGE mistake" In August 2005, under Israel’s disengagement plan, all Jews were evacuated from Gaza, ending the modern Jewish presence there.

If you want, I can prepare you a timeline map showing when Jews lived in Gaza, when they were expelled, and when they returned. This would make the historical continuity of some 3000 yearsmuch clearer.