Famine is Very Near in Gaza Again

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It's a Democratic forum — everyone is entitled to their opinion.
    Israeli media covers a full spectrum of views:
    Channel 14 leans Right,
    Channel 12 is Ultra-Left and focuses heavily on progressive/LGBTQ narratives,
    Channel 11 (KAN) is generally balanced and considered highly reliable,
    Channel 13 leans Left,
    Channel 7 represents religious/nationalist perspectives.
    So, the public has access to the entire range of viewpoints. Among these, Channel 11 is often regarded as the most fact-based and reliable source.
    Regarding "All Israel News" — it is a site with a mixed reliability rating and a noticeable bias, but it still stands miles above the outright misinformation and propaganda that Hamas feeds the biased media.
     
  2. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    But this isn't left or right, it is Israel controlling the narrative. All of these are Israeli news agencies who have an inherent pro-Israel stance in order to operate within the Israeli state. KAN, who you promote as unbiased, is state owned. It isnt a diverse news when they all repeat the same state propaganda.
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You're oversimplifying and missing the reality on the ground. No one is denying that parts of North Gaza are facing severe humanitarian conditions. However, it's equally true that many areas in Southern Gaza are in much better shape, with markets open and aid being distributed. The situation is not uniform across the Strip.
    Regarding media narratives — footage and reports from IDF reservists, aid workers, and journalists that don't align with the dominant media agenda often get sidelined or ignored, no matter how credible they are. This isn't unique to Israel; global media outlets selectively amplify stories that fit certain narratives while burying others.
    KAN (Channel 11) may be state-owned, but it has consistently been rated as one of the more balanced and fact-driven outlets in Israel. Moreover, the Israeli media landscape is far from monolithic — it spans from Channel 14 on the right, to Channel 12 which leans left, Channel 13 in between, Channel 7 religious, and so on. It’s far more diverse than you're portraying.
    As for narrative control,
    Former Arkansas Governor and now embasador Mike Huckabee personally visited Gaza border areas, witnessing aid trucks going in and highlighting the humanitarian efforts that often get zero attention in international headlines?
    That footage, too, rarely sees the light of day outside of niche reporting.
    Israel doesn’t control the world’s media. But there are powerful filters on what gets reported globally, and what gets conveniently ignored.
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes, Hamas is an evil organization. But it is also a wiped out almost destroyed organization. It doesn't have magical powers to control the world. The IDF can come and go into Gaza as they please. Hamas has to cower and hide.
     
  5. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    It amazes me how Hamas is simultaneously a military superpower capable of wiping out all of Israel while also being a disorganized band of rebels unable to perform basic governance or even pay their soldiers.

    "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past”
     
  6. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Israel doesn't let independent journalists into Gaza. It is not a diversity of media if Israel controls the communication.

    Less suffering in one area does not negate suffering in another. 70% of builds in Gaza are leveled, but of course, Israel will film their own “Theresienstadt” with the remaining 30%.

    Mike Huckabee is not a journalist, but he is a 2x failed presidential candidate.

    Statements from current administration cannot be taken at face value.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Usually, statements like yours are oversimplifications that distort the actual dynamics of the conflict.

    Hamas is not a standalone superpower nor a random gang of rebels — it’s a heavily armed proxy, part of a broader network that Iran and others have built to encircle and destabilize Israel. Alongside Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Assad’s regime, and other terrorist factions, Hamas serves as a strategic front in Iran’s long-term plan to wage a multi-front war against Israel.

    Since violently seizing control of Gaza, Hamas has systematically escalated its military capabilities: stockpiling tens of thousands of rockets, constructing hundreds of miles of attack tunnels, and orchestrating infiltration strategies aimed at Israeli civilians. Their governance failures and corruption don’t negate the threat they pose — in fact, it’s a deliberate model where civilian suffering is weaponized as a political tool while resources are diverted to terror infrastructure.

    The reality is — Hamas is militarily dangerous because of foreign backing, not because Gaza itself is a powerhouse. This isn’t about “controlling the narrative,” it’s about understanding how asymmetrical warfare and proxy strategies are designed to manipulate both battlefield and media perceptions.
    The catastrophic betrayal and savagery of October 7th, 2023 — when Hamas orchestrated a massacre after years of planning — exposed a devastating failure to protect Israel’s southern border. That day taught Israel a harsh lesson: Hamas cannot coexist; it must be dismantled. Palestinian terror must be confronted and stopped, not managed.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, you will be amazed how fast Hamas if left in Gaza will recover, and how fast rockets will fly to kill Israelis.
    There are still years of work to destroy the attack tunnels they built in the last years.

    From watching news, I think Israel will increase the military operation, until Hamas capitulates.
    Due to calls to recognize Palestine, Hamas lost incentive to negotiate. This means escalation, and ongoing war in Gaza, war that huts both sides.
    If remaining hostages die by the hands of Hamas, Israelis prefer to exchange but many call to revive the death penalty to terrorists.
    As of recent reports, the number of Palestinian terrorists prisoners in Israeli jails is approximately 4,500. At least 1000 can face death penalty based on what they're done.
    Those are not war prisoners, they are not solders, still Israel allows red cross visits, and steady supply of food and medicine to be provided to these terrorists.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
     
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  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Agree.

    The problem, is there are facts that support each narrative, like cafeteria, pick and choose.
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You missed the point of my post. I agree Hamas is evil. Hamas is evil. Hamas is evil. How many times do I have to repeat it? Hamas is evil. My point is that Hamas is decimated. They don’t have magical powers to control the world as you keep implying.
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    As bad as Hamas is, Israel doesn't deserve special praise for not (to our knowledge) starving POWs to death.

    This highlights the difficulty in maintaining clear definitions and distinctions when one is describing asymmetrical warfare. Is Hamas a terrorist organization? Yes. Are its captured fighters POWs? Also yes.
     
  13. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Lerner seems to attribute all evil in Gaza to Hamas.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Are some of the captured terrorists who killed Israelis, eligible for trial and possible execution?
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Noor DahriNoor Dahri Executive Director at Islamic Theology of Counter Terrorism
    13 hours ago
    An investigation by the German site BILD reveals that the Gaza-based photographer Anas Zayed Fatiyeh, who is connected to a Turkish agency close to President Erdogan, stages dramatic images of children and mothers as part of Hamas propaganda that controls most of the filmed material coming out of the Gaza Strip. In the attached photo, he appears to be directing the shoots to convey an image of hunger.

    The photographer, known for his anti-Israel campaigns, is not recognized by international news agencies. Experts warn that Hamas uses these images as a tool to influence global public opinion and present a distorted reality.
    Credit: N12News

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/german-newspapers-accuse-global-news-outlets-of-using-staged-photos-from-gaza/

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  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, Hamas is like cancer.
    But if it was up to me, I would have stopped the war in 2023, and never allowed Hamas to take over Gaza, PA is bad as it is, was a better choice, for Gaza at the time until a better leadership or solution emerges.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/german-newspapers-accuse-global-news-outlets-of-using-staged-photos-from-gaza/
     
  17. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    This is such a desperate attempt by Israel to try and deflect from their atrocities.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Or expose Hamas and anti-Israel propaganda,

    BILD—also known as Bild‑Zeitung—is Germany’s largest and highest-circulation daily tabloid newspaper.
    BILD is a widely read—but highly controversial due to graphic and vulgar at times publications.

    Noor DahriNoor Dahri Executive Director at Islamic Theology of Counter Terrorism - Is not Israeli

    Islamic Theology of Counter Terrorism (ITCT)

    • Founded and led by Dahri, ITCT is a UK-based non-profit think tank that uses Islamic theology to challenge Islamist ideologies and prevent radicalization. It produces publications, trains imams, and develops de‑radicalization programming for Muslim communities globally
     
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  19. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    What ties this guy to Hamas?
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I guess we will know only if independent, unbiased press allowed in to Gaza.

    I have no knowledge of this individual, the publication was German not Israeli, Israel uses it, to prove that there is what at times called Pali-wood, staged activities.
    Are these aid seekers posing to intensify their suffering? Every person looking will make their opinion. Obviously, they are trying to get aid.
    Is the Turkish outlet he works for is anti-Israel and Pro Hamas?
    Fteiha’s work for the Anadolu news agency, Turkey’s state-run media outlet.
    AA tends to highlight Palestinian side grievances, focus on Israeli actions, and often mirrors statements of the Turkish government.
    That editorial tilt is interpreted by observers as pro‑Palestinian and occasionally pro‑Hamas in tone.
     

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