Famine is Very Near in Gaza Again

Wasn't it refuted and actually showed Hamas gunman shooting?
I think you tried it before, and it failed.
I will read the article in a day or so.

 

You claimed that.

 

According to Saudis, Hamas will accept cease fire. Announcement expected in couple of hours.
Initually 60 day stop in fighting and release in steps of 29 hostages, those who are a live and bodies. Israel will release prisoners, a swap.

This should elevate the hardship, and flow of aid in to Gaza.
IDF will retreat from many areas.

 

"We Want Peace": The Palestinian Initiative to Join the Abraham Accords
Last updated: 5.7.2025 / 23:12
Wall Street Journal reported

Senior sheikhs from Hebron have written an extraordinary letter to Israel proposing to withdraw from the Palestinian Authority, establish an independent emirate, and join the Abraham Accords.
They promise, the Wall Street Journal reported, recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, and offer broad economic, civil, and security cooperation.

This is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. Promoting the clan system of Palestinians which is more normal for them anyway than extremist nationalists.

This plan was mentioned before

Main Features of the Plan

1. Seven or Eight Emirates
   major Palestinian cities—such as:
   
   • Gaza
     
     
   • Nablus
     
     
   • Hebron
     
     
   • Ramallah
     
     
   • Jenin
     
     
   • Tulkarem
     
     
   • Qalqilya
     
     
   • Arab part of Jerusalem (if politically feasible)
     
   —be turned into self-governing emirates, modeled on the Gulf emirates like Dubai or Sharjah.
2. Palestinian society is tribal in nature, and thus local leadership (clan leaders, strongmen) should govern these micro-states.
   
   
3. This governance model, he argues, would be more stable and culturally appropriate than trying to impose Western-style democracy or a centralized Palestinian Authority.
4. Tribal and clan loyalties are stronger than national identity among many Palestinians.
   
   
5. Small-scale autonomy is more achievable and realistic than a full-fledged independent state.
   
   
6. Similar to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) model: autonomous entities cooperating regionally.
   
   
   

 

“This morning (Jul 5th), two American aid workers were injured in a targeted terrorist attack during food distribution activities at SDS-3 in Khan Yunis. The attack – which preliminary information indicates was carried out by two assailants who threw two grenades at the Americans – occurred at the conclusion of an otherwise successful distribution in which thousands of Gazans safely received food. No local aid workers or civilians were harmed,” GHF said.
The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation has faced many challenges since it began distributing aid in Gaza on May 26. However, it has overcome these challenges and continued to deliver aid.

It has provided more than 62 million meals to date and delivered 1.8 million as of July 5. However, on Saturday, two American aid workers were injured in what GHF calls a “targeted terrorist attack during food distribution activities.” This took place at what the organization called SDS-3 in Khan Yunis. This is one of three sites that operated on July 5. The organization has operated at up to four sites throughout the last month and a week.

This is the latest threat to the organization. It distributes more than 20,000 boxes of food a day. That is more than one million boxes since May 26. However, this method of distribution has meant that large numbers of civilians come to the sites and take the boxes.

 

I think a food distribution system with many more distribution sites would mean that Palestinians wouldn't have to travel as far and the crowds at each site would be much smaller and therefore much easier to control.

A slightly different topic, there are some significant parts of Netanyahu's far right radical government that want the genocide to continue. They want the Palestinians either exterminated or shipped out of Gaza. This way the Israeli's could settle the whole area. I have to assume that Netanyahu is sympathetic to their demands. This is probably where Trump's ideas of a Gaza Riviera came from, as well as the idea of shipping the Palestinians to Libya. Sorry folks the genocide is going to probably continue as long as Netanyahu is in power.

 

I’ve read proposals suggesting that some in Israel’s political right support encouraging Gazans to emigrate, but I haven’t seen any credible evidence or official policy advocating for extermination or genocide.
Can you provide a source for that claim?
It’s true that a small minority on the far-right advocate annexing Gaza or resettling Israelis there, but that’s not the position of the broader Israeli public or even most of the current government. Accusations of genocide are extremely serious and shouldn’t be made lightly without solid evidence.

 

I think the indiscriminate killing of innocent Palestinian people is strong evidence of a genocide.

 

A number of independent organizations believe that Israel is likely committing genocide in Gaza. Lerner doesn't believe any of this.

Definition
Genocide was coined to mean, and is generally used in law to mean, the destruction of an ethnic group as such (as a group). This is the case whether it is done by killing of all members of the group or other means, such as dispersing the group. In common usage, genocide is often used to mean “systematic mass killing”, whether or not the purpose is the destruction of a group or something else, such as terrorizing the group or killing a population without regard to group membership

Dispersing the Palestinians out of Gaza would be a form of genocide. Which is what I was talking about in my post. Trump is definitely supporting those tendencies in Netanyahu's government.

 

There is no intent to displace Gazans from Gaza Strip.
So there is no Genocide.
There is intent to fight terror and destroy terror organizations that used to control Gaza.
Hamas is loosing control.

 

You just said there was: "I’ve read proposals suggesting that some in Israel’s political right support encouraging Gazans to emigrate."

 

I think this article from the JTA highlights a very important point we keep coming back to: Jewish people are not synonymous with the state of Israel. There have been, and continue to be, conflations with the two. A large number of Jewish people are against this genocide not because they are Antisimetic, but because it goes against their morals.

 

I must strongly object to the use of the term genocide in describing the war in Gaza.
There is no genocide occurring. What we are seeing is a war—a tragic and brutal one—that was initiated by Hamas and other Palestinian Terror grouos in Gaza, with the support of a significant portion of the population in Gaza. When a terrorist organization launches a massive and deliberate attack on civilians, as Hamas did on October 7, a state has both the right and obligation to defend itself.
Those who joined Hamas in its war against Israel, or who continue to provide it with legitimacy and cover, must take responsibility for the consequences. This is not a case of unprovoked aggression.
Gaza is suffering today largely because it allowed itself to become a base for terrorism.
Holding Hamas accountable is a must, and supporting Israel’s right to self-defense.
But mislabeling self-defense as genocide both distorts reality and trivializes the true meaning of that term.

Yaman Hautis shot two missiles at Israel, now IDF is making Yemen pay.
Israel's message to its enemies is clear.
From what their leadership said.
The head and arm of those who shoot at Isreael will be cut-off.

 

Saudis say, if they to help rebuild Gaza, they want Hamas and a like out of Gaza.
There is development and momentum to stop the war.
Maybe have some states join Abraham Accords etc.
Talks for seace fire are on the way, maybe a deal is coming?
The sooner Hamas releases hostages, and stops it military activities, the best it will be for Gazans.
Hamas wants Raffa open, and already Israwl shot down drones crossing from Egypt, delivering weapons.
Hamas not to be trusted for a second.

 

There is no mislabeling here. It is a genocide.

I hope for a ceasefire, but even more, I hope for long term peace and stability in the region. This will be impossible if Israel cannot reconcile with their crimes against humanity and begin treating Palestinians as human beings.

 

Israels crime? If there is, it's a size of single rice seed, when compared to their neighbor's crimes against humanity. Arabs should first stop killing each other.
Two million Palestinians - Israelis are treated better than in most of the surrounding Israel countries, you know it. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/89KjzyheJAQ
Arabs need to reconcile with their crimes against Arabs, Palestinians. Iran needs to do the same.
Israel is the good guy in this conflict, Radical Jihadists preventing Jews from living in their land, is what this is all about.
And not just Jews, Christians and other fates as well, are suffering from their radical Islamist ideologies and their followers.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/new-palestinian-offer-peace-israel-hebron-sheikh-emirate-36dd39c3
“We want cooperation with Israel,” says Sheikh Wadee’ al-Jaabari, also known as Abu Sanad, from his ceremonial tent in Hebron, the West Bank’s largest city located south of Jerusalem. “We want coexistence.” The leader of Hebron’s most influential clan has said such things before, as did his father. But this time is different. Sheikh Jaabari and four other leading Hebron sheikhs have signed a letter pledging peace and full recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. Their plan is for Hebron to break out of the Palestinian Authority, establish an emirate of its own, and join the Abraham Accords.

 

“I plan to cut off the PA,” Sheikh Jaabari says. “It doesn’t represent the Palestinians.” The clans governed their own localities for hundreds of years.

he says. Then “the Israeli state decided for us. It brought the PLO and told the Palestinians: Take this.” Yasser Arafat’s PLO had been exiled to Tunisia, after being chased out of Jordan and Lebanon, when the first Oslo Accord in 1993 installed it in the West Bank. This was called the peace process, but the sheikh says he never saw any peace from it.

“There is an Arab proverb,” Sheikh Jaabari says: “Only the village’s calves plow its land. This means that a person who lives for decades outside—what does he know about where the springs of water in Hebron are located? The only thing you”—the PLO—“know about Hebron is collecting taxes.”

Four other Hebron sheikhs, whom gave interview separately over Zoom, are even more strident. “The PLO called itself a liberation movement. But once they got control, they act only to steal the money of the people,” one major sheikh says. “They don’t have the right to represent us—not them and not Hamas, only we ourselves.”

Back to the subject - The Israeli Security Cabinet has approved a plan to allow international organizations to distribute more aid in the northern Gaza Strip, the Times of Israel reported on Sunday, citing an official.

 

I'm not ignoring it—I'm waiting for a full investigation to reveal the facts.
As far as I know, there is no official policy in the IDF that permits shooting unarmed civilians seeking aid. If any such orders were given, they would be illegal under Israeli and international law, and soldiers are both trained and obligated to refuse unlawful orders.
If this report is verified, it would point to an isolated and condemnable violation—not a systemic policy. Sadly, such incidents can occur in any army during the chaos of war, but they should be investigated and prosecuted accordingly, not used to generalize or demonize an entire military or nation.