ENEB Masters degrees-why does getting Universidad Isabel I certification matter?

They are just continuing education certificates but people buy them because they use the word "master". However, they are clever as the diploma mentions "granted the certificate of master of". When I asked them about this they told me that they are master's diplomas under Spanish law but not master's like the ones offered by official universities. They play with semantics just to make a quick buck. Azteca, CLEA, etc are the Mexican versions. They all banned now by WES, IQAS and ICES. Unless you have an official degree recognized by the minister of education they are just continuing education diplomas with the name of master.

 

Once they have exhausted the model, they might come with a "DBA certificate" upgrade for another few thousand and a short mickey mouse thesis. No so sure how ISABEL degrees are perceived in Spain but I am sure they are little bit like the UoP spanish version.

 

Be careful, the Marconi masters degree is not a Laurea Magistrale (LM) that is the real masters degree but a Master Universitario that is not internationally recognized. The risk is that you get it and still be denied by WES or similar, it seems like it is the propio italian version. Again, it might fool few evaluators at the beginning but once they figure that it is not recognized by the government as a full masters, then it might be denied.

 

I wrote some posts about this on the sister board. Yeah, they're new playing around with their graduates' awards to get them to buy upgrades. They make it sound like the authentic propio is the one that you get in the upgrade and the award that you receive is a "university certification."

I am careful and know about this distinction. I just like the Italian version more than the "university certification." I am not going to be using the "institution-specific award" primarily for credential recognition purposes. These type of awards are for the business sector. If you can get credential recognition, that's awesome. But it's not the end goal for me with these type of specialized degrees.

 

University of People
MBA
No tuition or enrollment fees
$60 application fee
$450 ASSESSMENT FEE PER COURSE
IN TOTAL AROUND $5,460 FOR THE DEGREE

https://www.uopeople.edu/programs/online-masters/business-administration/

Have credits from another accredited university? Great! Master’s degree students can transfer up to 50% of their total credits to UoPeople.
There is no charge for transfer credit evaluations, and if accepted there is a small fee of only $17 for each course transferred.

 

Yes, it is a better option but people go with ENEB because it sells for $200, then the upgrade to do the full double master for $400 with one test of 50 questions. After you get it, they purposely put in your diploma "certification" so they can make money by changing it to titulo propio for another $400. If you need a print of your diploma another $400. Nevertheless, ENEB is still a good option for continuing education if you have no expectations to get a degree and don't fall for the upgrades.

 

My guess is that you would get a graduate certificate at the best from places like WES. But if 500 applicants show up with WES with the same degree, they will just block it like they did with other degrees. Marconi is also a no name new online university, WES and similar get suspicious of private online outfits. Most likely, the same owners of ENEB opened Marconi so they can make another million selling thousands of diplomas that require a mini thesis for the upgrade. Not worth it in my opinion.

 

The owners of ENEB opened Marconi? And this is the "most likely" scenario? Any evidence?

Guglielmo Marconi University looks totally fine to me. They are listed in the top 8.3 percent of world universities in the CUWR ranking (number 1765 out of over 21,000 global universities). I don't bring this up because I care about these rankings, just to counter this idea of potentially supect private online outfit with no credibility. They've also been around since 2004. That could be considered new, but they've served students for over two decades at this point and remain fully accredited in Italy.

https://cwur.org/2025/guglielmo-marconi-university.php

Concerning CUWR ranking; https://studyinternational.com/news/global-university-rankings-decoded/

The ENEB-Marconi award is classified in this manner in Italy:

Link: https://eurydice.eacea.ec.europa.eu/eurypedia/italy/programmes-outside-bachelor-and-master-structure

Alongside the PhDs courses, universities may organise courses leading to the following third-cycle qualifications:

• Master universitario di II livello (Second-level university Master).

 

Precisely. You cant blame anyone for getting favorable evaluations from a respected third party agency if they didn’t do their due diligence. What were they being paid for then?

It shouldn’t matter if an evaluator gets one request or 500, they should be fair and impartial in their assessment. IEE and a few other evaluators have set rules for evaluating Propios in place, typically graduate credit.

 

Getting the Isabel certificate matters because of Spanish law. ENEB is a business college and as a college it can't grant degrees. In Spain, granting degrees is restricted to recognized universities only. Unlike the US, Spain (and many other countries) makes a clear distinction between colleges and universities. So, all colleges - regardless of specialty - that want to issue degrees must partner with a university. I'm sure there are regulations governing this relationship, but I don't know what they are.

 

Yet, the degree that is granted can be a formal adhering to national standards or non standard private certificate.

 

Fair assessment but unless we have few people actually getting this degree and getting evaluated as a degree by WES, I will not buy it mainly because the history of ENEB of several associations in the past that turned into more useless degrees.

 

I agree, the problem is that Isabel technically does not issue a degree but a certificate. There is an upgrade to a master propio but this requires more money and exams. The model is still not well understood and in my opinion ENEB abuse students with upgrades, double masters, etc. The Marconi deal is sold as an official Master but it turns to be a Universitario Masters that does not give access to a PhD so it is not much different to the propio except that few understand the different types of MAsters in Italy. I just see an intention from ENEB to deceive people into dishing money for a degree that might not be a degree but a certificate, graduate certificate, etc. It is just safer to enroll into a real masters degree and avoid the scam upgrades from ENEB.

 

The Universitario Masters is an official masters, unlike a Propio, it just isnt a part of the Bologna Process.

 

"
«Master universitario»

The so-called “Master” of the Italian Education System should not be confused with the Master's degree of the English-speaking countries. It is an advanced degree programme (similar to a Postgraduate diploma in UK), whose aim is to reinforce, broaden and hone the skills and expertise of graduates and postgraduates to meet the demands of the professional world.

To be admitted to a 1st level “Master” course (Master di 1° livello), you must have a 1st level degree (laurea triennale). It generally lasts from 6 months to 1 year, and you have to accumulate 60 credits to obtain the qualification.

"

https://www.uniupo.it/en/international/students/you-want-come-upo/what-you-can-study/higher-education-italy#:~:text=The%20so%2Dcalled%20%E2%80%9CMaster%E2%80%9D,subject%20to%20an%20entrance%20examination.


So it appears to be the equivalent of a Postgraduate diploma in the UK which probably would be the same for the US and Canada.

 

But not everyone cares about getting a direct master's degree equivalency from WES. Some people are just comfortable with country-specific qualifications from various European countries, which are mostly used for professional advancement. Equivalency appears to be your concern. I get that, but there are a lot of people who already have recognized master's degrees and don't need another explicit confirmation of possessing a degree at the master's level. They just want to have a respectable business qualification from a recognized university, and this specialized Italian "Master" qualification (with the awarded MBA title) might provide what they seek, regardless of how it gets evaluated.

 

I agree but the same is for the Isabel MAsters certificate. If all you need is a diploma that says masters from a university that is recognized in Europe, the original 200 dlls degree is enough. My problem is that ENEB deceives with these options to make more money but never disclose the limitations. A person in Pakistan needs the official masters to immigrate to Canada, pays the money and then finds out that it was denied because WES did not recognize it. I personally need the WES if I wanted to use the degree to teach but a graduate certificate or diploma equivalency would not be so useful. But if someone wants to collect diplomas to fill a linkedin profile, it is fine just to keep buying diplomas with different university names to make it look impressive. Dr. Tank has already 16 masters from ENEB, once he upgrades to Marconi you will see another 16 masters from the same university in his profile.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tankwanhong/details/education/

 

I don't think it's ENEB's job to examine the immigration requirements to the USA Canada or anywhere else. It's not deceiving if they don't.

 

I never said that this was their job but they promise an official masters degree that it does not seem to be strong to pass WES or similar controls. Their main market is people from Latin or low income countries, they come with low cost solutions but they never say "we offer an official masters but it is not part of the bologna process (aka not the same as an official masters degree in the US or Canada)". They play the with words "master propio", "master certificate" "official master", etc to keep getting money. Not very ethical. In essence, it is the same program just changes in terms of money. I was very close to pay the $1500 for the Italian masters when I did a bit of research and used chatgpt, i figured that this was not a masters but a graduate diploma or certificate in Canadian terms so I stopped but I could have been out $1500 plus printing diploma charges, plus printing transcripts, evaluation charges, translation charges, etc that could have been several thousands just to end with a graduate certificate that is pretty much what you get the propio thing.