EdS degree

Ed.S. Robe, etc...

Geez, I learned my Ed.S. gives me a different kind of academic robe. So I am checking to find out about buying one. I have to go to my college graduation every year; I might as well go with the right robe.

 

Just wondering all, is the Ed.s a common degree in used by educators overseas?

 

The Ed.S. is, I believe, a U.S. invention (as was the Ed.D.). I do not see it used much outside the U.S.

 

Even more rare than the Ed.S. is the Psy.S. (Specialist in Psychology). A number of school psychology programs around the country are now conferring the Psy.S. degree instead of the Ed.S.

 

Fascinating? Here I am, the Degree Title Nerd, and I was unaware of the existence of the Psy.S. Thanks for the info, Rob.

 

Yes it is a degree.

It is offered a lot in the midwest.

It has primarliy been for superintendants, principals and school psychologists. It has also been used for psychometrists and in some counseling programs.

It has specific regalia. The regalia includes blue velvet down the front of a doctoral robe, but does not includes the three chevrons of velvet on the sleeves. The hood is 3' 6" long instead of 4" like the doctoral robe.

It is its own unique degree and serves a specifc purpose in education. I find it unfortunate that there is a need to belittle or diminish the dgree when people do not understand it. It fits a specific niche and has value.

 

Nova offers a Psy.S in school psychology through various offsite locations in Florida

http://cps.nova.edu/

 

Now, wait a minute! How could the EdS have become a professional doctorate if the EdD had become the professional doctorate it was intended to be?

 

TH,

That's what I meant. There is no real difference between the Ed.D. and a Ph.D. in Education, or so we've been told; thus the professional degree title has been taken up by a research degree. It is therefore not available to dsescribe a genuine professional doctorate.

 

I see nosborne's point. While the Ed.S. would not be a doctorate, it really should have become the expected degree for school principals and superintendents. It would have allowed for the advanced training in leadership without the expectation of a research dissertation. This would have resulted in far fewer ABDs and would have made the development of the Ed.D. unnecessary. The holder of the Ed.S. who wanted to go on to a Ph.D. in education (for research or full-time university teaching) would, in theory, have fewer courses to take than one who started Ph.D. studies with a masters degree.

Another route might have been the "terminal" or "professional" masters in education, akin to the M.Div or M.B.A.--both of which tend to be longer programs than the traditional 30-36 semester unit M.A. or M.S. That could have either been an Ed.S. or M.Ed. (the M.Ed. is another degree that suffers from a lack of coherent definition that distinguishes it from the M.A. or M.S.). Of course the problem with this scenario is that we would have had far fewer principals and superintendents being called "doctor".

Gee, if I had been at Harvard in 1920, maybe we could have been spared all of this M.Ed., Ed.S., Ed.D. mess (yeah right!).

 

EdS,MEd,M.A.T.

In the Northeast is can also be called the 6th Year diploma. The Ed.S is not found anywhere in New England.

The big question is what is the difference between the M.Ed. and a M.A.T. (Teaching)

 

Re: EdS,MEd,M.A.T.

Depends on how the terminology "Master of Arts in Teaching" is being used. Sometimes the MAT is meant to designate a non-thesis master's degree with no foreign language requirement so as to separate it from the research MA (thesis and foreign language required) degree in the same field. Other times the MAT is a degree in education that offers certification at the master's level.

 

Re: Re: EdS, MEd, M.A.T.

Originally posted by Pattherat007
In the Northeast is can also be called the 6th Year diploma. The Ed.S is not found anywhere in New England. The big question is what is the difference between the M.Ed. and a M.A.T. (Teaching)

True--I have seen the term "6th year diploma," although CAS or CAGS is more common. I do not recall any schools in New England that offer an Ed.S., but I have not checked it out. The Ed.S. is offered at universities in all other parts of the country.

Originally posted by Ted Heiks
Depends on how the terminology "Master of Arts in Teaching" is being used. Sometimes the MAT is meant to designate a non-thesis master's degree with no foreign language requirement so as to separate it from the research MA (thesis and foreign language required) degree in the same field. Other times the MAT is a degree in education that offers certification at the master's level.

Also true--There is no standardized format for an MAT. It can range from a one-year program in teaching a specific discipline (such as math) to a degree that includes teacher cetification requirements for those that did not complete an undergraduate teaching credential. In California, for example, one must have a bachelors degree prior to entering a teacher certification program. The smarter universities have developed MAT programs for such candidates.

Some years ago, I conducted a study of M.A. vs. M.S. vs. M.Ed. degrees in my discipline (instructional technology). My findings were that there was no reliable way to differentiate between the three degrees in terms of admission requirements, program content or culminating activity (e.g. thesis, project, examination, etc.). I found M.A. and M.S. programs that were coursework only, while some M.Ed. programs required a thesis. Facility in a foreign language is no longer a universal requirement for M.A. (or even Ph.D.) programs in most disciplines.

 

An Ed.S. is:

From Wikipedia

An Ed.S. program typically requires about 60-70 semester hours beyond a bachelor's degree, or about 30 hours beyond a master's (making it approximately the same workload as a second Master's in terms of credits, but often the coursework is at the doctoral level). However, according to the U.S. Department of Education's International Affairs Office's leaflet, entitled, "Structure of the U.S. Education System: Intermediate Graduate Qualifications," (Feb 2008), the Ed.S., as a degree, is equivalent to the Doctor of Ministry (D.Min.), the Doctor of Psychology (Psy.D./D.Psy.), and the Licentiate in Sacred Theology (S.T.L.).

 

So did you?

Did you find your academic robes?

My school (Rutgers University Grad School of Ed) discontinued granting it's Ed.S. degree and since I hadn't gone to the ceremony in 1982 (since in truth my 7 years had run out for writing my dissertation for the Ed.D. and the Ed.S. was for me an A.B.D. degree) I was teaching and they were requiring us to attend graduation and encouraging us to wear our regalia but I couldn't buy it. The Rutgers Bookstore didn't sell it and didn't know what to sell me to replace it.

 

Hey Ron,

Welcome to Degree Info! You will probably not get an answer to your question; that post by cogent is 9 years old and he/she has not posted here in years.

 

I'm in the same situation, about to run out of my 7 years for dissertation. I have to decide if I want to petition to continue or just take the Ed.S. Do you think not having the Ph.D. has held you back from your career goals and ever not gotten a position because you didn't have it? TIA

 

Full disclosure: I hold an Ed.S. in Educational Leadership.

It's definitely not a doctorate because it isn't long enough, and it doesn't include a dissertation process (although a thesis or capstone project could be required). It is similar to a 30-hour certificate program, but it is very much a degree.

I completed my Ed.S. with the intention of continuing toward the Ed.D., and I actually had to take a Ed.S.-specific capstone course that could not apply toward the Ed.D.

I tend to think of the Ed.S. as an Advanced M.Ed.