Ed.S, DBA, or CAGS for undergraduate teaching?

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by icecom3, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Actually, it is quite common to do a post doc in a different specialization but within your own discipline (e.g. business, engineering).

    Walden is copying the AACSB post doc bridge that qualifies faculty to teach in a business faculty. The problem is that Walden is not AACSB accredited and as you mentioned, most schools might not honor this certificate as the main qualification to teach accounting because it only has 9 credits in accounting.

    In your case, the cheapest would be to get a CMA. Many schools would take a PhD in business with either a CPA or CMA to teach accounting.

    At least at schools that I have taught, most adjuncts in Accounting were either MBAs or PhDs in business with a CPA or CMA. Not many people have PhDs or MSc in Accounting as practitioners do not do these degrees often as the certification is preferred for industry jobs.

    Another cheap alternative would be to do a M.Comm in Accounting from UNISA, this is a research only degree that would qualify someone to teach accounting.
  2. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    These would all be great if I did not hate accounting! :biggrin:
  3. jam937

    jam937 New Member

    How much debt do you currently have?
    How long will it take you to pay off your existing school debt based on your current job?

    Now add another 40-60k in debt, factor in possibly a new job or side work teaching and answer the same questions.

    The answers to these questions should help you decide if you can handle more debt.
  4. foobar

    foobar Member

    This is precisely why non-AACSB doctorates in accounting are generally not well respected in academia.

    Two of the three required accounting courses in this certificate program appears to be comparable to undergraduate courses in managerial and cost accounting, and appear to cover content any CPA would know. The third appears to be a standard masters level course in international accounting.

    A student entering an AACSB doctoral program in accounting would be expected to know all of this before beginning doctoral level work. As described, the first two courses would be considered remedial work.

    Real doctoral seminars in accounting, including those in bridge programs result in a thorough grounding in the research literature of a particular area of accounting. I don't see that in the course descriptions for Walden's bridge programs.
  5. icecom3

    icecom3 New Member

    Very good to know, I may take some financial graduate work for self enrichment. However, I decided to earn my CAGS in organizational psychology. Yes, there are plenty of PhDs in psychology, but not as many PhDs in I/O psychology. The CAGS offers me some doctoral learning, and some of it can matriculate into a doctoral program later (if I ever decide to do that).

    I am focusing on a specific field, for a specific need. Although I agree, it will probably still be competitive.
  6. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    icecom3 - I am in a CAGS/PhD at Northcentral. The CAGS is a nice option because you can get in and out with an investment in 6 doctoral level classes. I was told by my local university that they would transfer 4 of those into their PhD program as part of the cognate area. Once you complete the CAGS you can transfer 5 of those courses into the NCU PhD/DBA programs and you will then have to take foundation, research methods and dissertation courses to complete your degree.
    The CAGS is recognized by middle through high school but not anyone else as a degree. The same goes for the EdS.

    I am also considering doing an EdS for fun.
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Agreed on CAGS, but universities often need to show what percentage of their faculty hold a terminal degree, and will count EdS holders as a yes.
  8. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    Yes EdS is a real degree. I think we had that debate a while ago :)
    I just don't know if its recognized much outside of middle/high school. USF cautions its students against the EdS if they want to teach college courses, however I see it as a stepping stone to a PhD as long as all the credits transfer in.
  9. icecom3

    icecom3 New Member

    Update, I decided no CAGS because I dont want to pay 15k in cash up front, financial aid don't cover it. So I am back to square one.

    Well If you mean Ed.S in primary/secondary education or school psychology, then yes it would not be accepted beyond that. But now they have Ed.S degrees in college curriculum and organizational management and a few other areas. I'm just guessing this is designed to give master's level holders an edge...not sure yet.

    @ Ryoder
    I am actually looking at the Ed.S and EDD for org leadership at Northcentral. This program is not just for educational leadership, its for just about any industry. I noticed that the Ed.S and EDD are the same curriculum exactly, only the EDD has a ton more dissertation courses.
    So I asked them if the Ed.S coursework would matriculate to the EDD and they told me "possibly, its on a case by case basis". Your thoughts???

    I am undecided, the Ed.S is only like 27k while the EDD is 44k...huge difference. And again...to teach an occasional course online.
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If you don't have prior approval in writing, you have nothing.

    So basically, you're thinking about paying seventeen thousand extra dollars, and spending two extras years of your time, for a change of one letter that you're not even sure will guarantee you the extra side job you'd need to pay it all off?

  11. icecom3

    icecom3 New Member

    well now...dont try to talk me into that EDD or anything :)
  12. managerial0550

    managerial0550 New Member

    the EDS classes will transfer into the EDD program at NCU...you will just have to do the dissertation
  13. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    USF's EdS Instructional Technology is 36 credits, 27 of which transfer directly into the PhD if you want to go that route. The last 9 are EdS final project/thesis credits.
    On the other hand, NCU's EdS courses are the exact same prefix as their EdD courses and are 7000 level. Just to be on the safe side if I were going to do an EdS at NCU I would ask to be admitted to 8000 level ED courses. They are the same as the 7000 level courses 99.9% of the time but the PhD requires 8000 level courses so you would be better off going that route.

    Do find out how much adjuncts are paid if you want to do that kind of work. My friend does it and he is PhD ABD at Nova in infosec and the money is a pittance. He does it to maintain his CISSP and keep himself involved and interested outside of work.
  14. icecom3

    icecom3 New Member

    good advice on the course level, I will look into this. Thanks!

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