Ed.D. California Coast University

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  1. Odin

    Odin New Member

    Has anyone had any experience with this program? What are the positives and negatives? It seems like for the price, it's difficult to find another program at that price that is accredited.

    I don't care about the RA vs. NA debate. The DETC accreditation is perfect for my personal needs.
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    In that case, they're probably a great choice.
     
  3. major56

    major56 Active Member

    If DETC accreditation is individually sufficient and in addition to California Coast:

    William Howard Taft: Ed.D.
    Online Doctor of Education (Ed.D.) Program

    Aspen University: Ed.D. ($900 /3-hour course)
    Online Education Degrees - Education Degree Online | Aspen University

    University of Saint Augustine for Health Sciences: Ed.D.
    Doctor of Education | University of St. Augustine

    Boise State University (RA /NCATE accredited): fully online Ed.D. in Educational Technology ($1300 /3-hour course regardless of residency)
    Doctoral Degrees - Boise State University - Educational Technology
     
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  4. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Ditto.

    Abner
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    If you don't care that none of the state universities or community colleges will recognize the degree for academic purposes, then it should be fine.
     
  6. Odin

    Odin New Member

    Not true. I personally know of a guy that received his MBA from Aspen and teaches at the community college about 20 minutes from my home. Sorry, that's simply not true.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Doctorates from DETC-accredited schools are fine for use as a practitioner. But forget about using them for academic purposes, largely. And don't expect to make an academic contribution with your research. At least, not a recognized one. And don't necessarily expect to get an advisor who can guide you along those lines. He/she might be a practitioner, too.
     
  8. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    What does he teach at the community college?
     
  9. Odin

    Odin New Member

    I'm not sure what the course is called off the top of my head. But I do know it is within the Business-Escrow certificate program.
     
  10. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I know you don't care about NA v RA but the logic you're using is flawed. I could say, "I know a guy who became a millionaire without having even a Bachelors degree" (like Bill Gates) and so that means that I don't need a college degree in order to become a millionaire. Of course that would also mean that I'd have to be 1) sparkling brilliant, 2) have a brilliant product, 3) be a crazy workaholic.
    I'm none of those things and so I finished my degree.

    Simply because your friend succeeded does not mean that you too will succeed. He probably is teaching that course (in a rather esoteric area) based on his experience and an RA Masters degree and his NA doctorate didn't even enter the equation. Maybe I'm wrong. You seem determined to travel a certain path and are only looking for information that confirms what you already believe. That's OK and I wish you the best of luck. Even though I've been arguing with you on this board I hope you reach your goal and do it in the way that feels best to you.
     
  11. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    A.S. level
    The only thing that is needed to teach at the A.S. level in community college is an A.S. degree is the discipline that is going to be taught. Subsequently, if your friend has a DETC masters from Aspen, it doesn't mean that it's being used to allow him to teach at the community college. Just because he added a DETC masters to his resume doesn't mean that it's recognized for academic purposes by the college.

    A.A. level
    The only thing that is needed to teach at the A.A. level in community college is a Masters degree is the discipline that is going to be taught. Subsequently, if your friend has a DETC masters from Aspen, it doesn't mean that it's being used to allow him to teach at the community college. Just because he added a DETC masters to his resume doesn't mean that it's recognized for academic purposes by the college.
     
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  12. japhy4529

    japhy4529 House Bassist

    Woodshop! :D Sorry, I couldn't resist. Of course I'm only kidding. It's nice to hear that on occasion someone is able to land an RA teaching gig with a DETC masters or doctorate.
     
  13. Odin

    Odin New Member

    I think you've missed my point. I'm not saying "Hey, I know one guy that is teaching at a CC that has an MBA from an NA school, so that means that anyone can do it!" Someone said CC's wouldn't recognize the degree and I said there were exceptions to their flawed post. You're taking my post and extrapolating.
     
  14. Odin

    Odin New Member

    Again, you're absolutely wrong. Here in CA we must have different standards than where you're from, so please stop generalizing. Why would there be different requirements to teach at the A.S. or A.A. level? Do you know what those even mean? That's like saying it takes two different degrees to be able to teach at the B.S. level or the B.A. level, or even the M.A. level or the M.S. level. They're equivalent degrees.

    In CA you must either A. Have a masters in the subject being taught, or B. Have a bachelors in the subject taught AND a masters in something related. So if I have a masters in political science, I can teach polisci classes. If I have a masters in military history, and a bachelors in political science, I can probably still teach polisci classes. But if I have a bachelors in political science and a masters in educational technology, I'm probably not qualified in CA.
     
  15. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Yes, there are differences between the A.S. degree and the A.A. degree; and there are different requirements to teach each. Those requirements are set by the regional accreditors. California's regionally accredited universities are governed by a regional accreditor called the Western Association of Colleges and Schools or WASC for short.

    Actually, only 18 graduate level credits (in the discipline to be taught) are required to teach at the Bachelors and A.A. level, but most universities require a Masters degree.

    There are also subtle differences in the degree requirements between a B.S. and a B.A.

    Speaking of California, I graduated with an A.A. from Los Angeles Valley College.
     
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  16. Odin

    Odin New Member

    There may be a few differences in classes, but the degree is the same. To say that the rquirements to teach in an AA vs. an AS program are different is asinine.

    You may want to check the new requirements for California. That 18 credit business has been done away with.
    http://www.cccco.edu/Portals/4/AA/Minimum%20Qualifications%20Handbook%20for%202012-2014%20%28MB2%29%20020212.pdf
     
  17. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I have seen the different requirements for Florida CC. I do not think the core classes are different (english, history, etc.), it is the classes related to the major that are different and have different requirements to teach them. I know one example was the funeral directors program. It only needed an associates degree to teach the associated degree program. Maybe because an AS/AAS is a terminal degree for that field?
     
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  18. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    It appears that California has placed some statutory guidelines for teaching that exceed some of the standards of the regional accreditors. If the accreditors recommend that 18 graduate level credits be required to teach an A.A., then it is perfectly acceptable for California to statutorily require a Masters degree.

    There are academic differences between an A.A., an A.S. and an A.A.S. The A.A. requires fewer technical courses, but requires more liberal arts courses to prepare the student for further studies towards a bachelors degree. For example, an A.A. might require English 101 and 102, whereas an A.A.S. may only require a basic writing course. Generally, A.S. and A.A.S. degrees are designed to be terminal.
     
  19. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    This issue here is not one of grade level (A.A. vs. B.A. and the different iterations of the degree). The determining factor regulating the minimum degree required of faculty is the discipline. "Academic" disciplines, particularly those that transfer to higher degree programs generally require a masters degree to teach. "Vocational" disciplines, such as culinary arts, HVAC, auto mechanics and medical assisting do not require a masters degree, as masters degrees in those disciplines do not exist. If one does not possess a masters degree, an associate or bachelors degree and years of experience qualifies one to teach in those areas. This is how someone with an NA (and even with an unaccredited) graduate degree could teach at a community college. In that instance, the hiring is based on the undergraduate degree and the work experience.

    Now, why believe me? I was on hiring committees for full-time and part-time faculty at the California Community College for which I worked for 7 years. I was also on the committee that drafted the accreditation report for my college. Since then, I have worked on accreditation for institutions for HLC (NorthCentral) and, now SACS, where I am a Dean and hire faculty.

    It's not the degree level, it's the discipline. To teach in a program awarding a career certificate would not require a masters degree.
     
  20. Odin

    Odin New Member


    Excellent. Thank you.
     

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