Detc Phd??

From the 2001-2002 California Coast University bulletin regarding the Doctor of Business Administration degree (after the listing of courses):

Final Comprehensive Written Examination

The Candidate will complete a Final Comprehensive Written Examination. This final requirement will be in the form of an essay examination, based upon major areas of business. Candidates are asked to integrate course information, professional experience, and outside source material into a comprehensive framework, reflecting their accumulated business knowledge. (Emphasis added)

This is a comp. It isn't an "alternative" to the dissertation. It is a comp. It doesn't even rise to the level of a master's thesis. It is a comp. That's it. Not a dissertation, not an "alternative" to a dissertation. It's a comprehensive examination, something done after coursework, but before a dissertation.

This isn't a complete DBA. That California allows such a thing says a lot more about California Approval (and we all know how that has fallen off to the level of mere consumer protection, not academic quality assurance anymore) than it does the quality of CCU.

Even DETC agrees with this, in principle. That's why they'll require dissertations for programs like this, if they ever decide to accredit doctoral degree programs.

A comp. Even CCU says so. That's pretty conclusive to me. Don't believe me. Don't even believe Rod (who has a vested interest in the outcome of the question). Believe CCU.

Four elements to a typical doctorate:

Coursework
Comprehensives (oral or written)
Dissertation Proposal
Dissertation (including defense)

In CCU's DBA, only the first two parts are present.

Rod, if you've got something to say about this, I'm all ears. But I'd be surprised. It's pretty open-and-shut: a no-dissertation (or equivalent) DBA. Take care.

 

pffftttt.... more hyperbolics... you're new there, aren't you? Sounds like your company is pretty tight ass, and disrespects legitimate education, in all its forms.

If they're that snotty, what are they doing letting in sumbuddy from Union? What can an interdisciplinary student-designed doctor in non-traditional education offer any company??? What job description could possibly call for that??? I hire a lot of people, and that one wouldn't get you in the door.

 

Well, as I suspected, you're reading the catalog which in my experience isn't very descriptive of the requirement nor reflective of the actual work. CCU could do a better job in describing in much more detail what they really expect and what is entailed, but then that might scare off the prospects. Not so open and shut as you might assume...

 

Rod, why do you resort to personal attacks? Are you that defensive about CCU? Or are you bereft of facts to use, so that's all you have left? Is it really your intention to flame others?

Flame off.

 

Rich, don't come crying to me about personal attacks. I didn't start this...

 

I'm not assuming anything. I've read your comments (including the petty flames), I've read CCU's catalog. That's pretty conclusive. I call it a comprehensive examination. Your school calls it a comprehensive examination. You can call it anything you want, but that doesn't make it so. And a DBA without a dissertation (or equivalent), one that ends at the comps, isn't a real doctorate by definition. This doesn't have anything to do with the doctorate I earned; it's just the way it is.

 

Yeah, Rod, you did. Why is it that you and some other CCU-ites can't examine that school with some balance? Your post flaming me was really low, but I guess it's to be expected.

 

I love this. Somehow, it often happens that when I criticize some aspect of an unaccredited school (or the degrees it confers), its adherents seem to bring up Union. Holders of degrees from unaccredited schools really don't have a basis for criticizing my choice. They can certainly criticize Union's degree programs, operations, or whatever. But my choice? When they've made THAT one? Ridiculous. That's why the "my degree is better than yours" debates start. It's stupid to think that taking a degree from CCU is a better choice than ANY accredited doctoral program, not just Union.

There is NO situation where a CCU degree would be acceptable, but where any accredited doctorate would not. None. But the opposite ain't so. There are lots of situations where a CCU degree would not be acceptable, but the accredited doctorate would be. And no whining about this situation is going to change it.

NB: To the moderators and other readers: sorry about my response to Kirkland. But I get sick of it sometimes and decide to fight back.

 

"mine is bigger than yours...no, mine is bigger..."

www.cpec.ca.gov

 

Ah, so it gets down to relying on the state government? Why is it that delusional shills of unaccredited schools always fall back on that?

Please show us where credits and degrees from state-approved schools are transferrable to accredited schools in California. State approval doesn't mean squat, even within California.

Good luck taking that unaccredited dissertation-less degree to any situation where a real degree is required.

Last time I checked, California Approval wasn't an accepted form of recognition for transferring credits and degrees to any accredited school. That would now include CCU, by the way!

Try using an academic authority next time, instead of a consumer affairs one.

 

To the moderators and readers:
This thread was about DETC PhDs. I would have preferred that the discussion remain focused on those related issues and not those introduced by Rich Douglas.

 

Here's the post from Rod that started it:

pffftttt.... more hyperbolics... you're new there, aren't you? Sounds like your company is pretty tight ass, and disrespects legitimate education, in all its forms.

If they're that snotty, what are they doing letting in sumbuddy from Union? What can an interdisciplinary student-designed doctor in non-traditional education offer any company??? What job description could possibly call for that??? I hire a lot of people, and that one wouldn't get you in the door.

Veeeerrrrryyyy on topic. And polite, too!

 

That was pretty late in the game. Let's go up to where you started in about CCU and others which had nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

 

Watch your a**, Rich. He'll sic the emperor of Japan on you. Then he'll read you his dissertation.

_____________________

Note to H.I.M. the Heisei Emperor of Japan:

Dear Emperor:

It's a good thing your pa quit being a god at the end of the Late Unpleasantness, because someone in these parts is speaking on your behalf. With all due respect, sir, how can "Japan" have a single opinion on anything? I know yours is a tidy nation, but there's a limit. Also, how is it that a bunch of gaijin have authority to speak for all the former proprietors of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere?
I notice from your bio that you have 2 years of college credit plus a couple more as an auditor. It seems to me that you ought to be able, given your experience at, well, whatever it is you do, to get a DBA at a certain school. Just don't start writing any dissertations. People will think you're snooty.

Your Carpathian servant,

Janko Preotul

P.S. Our King is very old and lives in Switzerland now. Do you two know each other, being in the same line of work?

 

The thread was about DETC approving schools to award the doctorate. The most talked about school related to DETC, especially regarding doctorates, is CCU. By far. It was hardly off-topic.

And even if it was, that explains your behavior?

And beyond your behavior, I see you haven't offered a single bit of support for your point.

CCU's DBA isn't a doctorate; it's missing the proposal and the dissertation. If that isn't relevant to this thread (see its title), I'd be surprised.

Gee, I hope you're not going to be mean to me again!

 

"Snotty," actually. I guess they're the same thing, though.

 

Off topic. Best thing for you is to take your problems to the State or to CCU.

 

Off topic.

 

DETC PHD Update???

Does anyone have the latest on the DETC proposal regarding Ph.D's? I sent an email to Sue at DETC but haven't heard back yet. I'm particularly interested in whether the proposed provision requiring that a DETC accreditated school has to be accreditated by DETC 24 months before application.

Thanks,

Oscar

 

It's my understanding that the 24 month rule was adopted for professional doctorates. As I said earlier, no pilot programs will be authorized for PhD's.