Detc Accrediting Meeting This Weekend.

Yes, yes, indeed. Tuition is currently listed as $180/hr. for master's level courses and $210/hr. for the doctoral level courses. Usually DETC schools charge about $250/hr. (the maximum amount for the military TAP).

 

I was wondering about the combined MBA/DBA myself. But, at first, I wondered whether I would need an NA MBA in Entrepreneurship given that I already have an RA MBA in Entrepreneurship. If I did have both RA & NA MBA degrees in Entrepreneurship (not that I hadn't considered the possibility), I thought, wouldn't people start threads saying that Ted Heiks is redundant or that he has too many degrees or that he must be unmarriageable (for taking on too much debt at warp speed)? Then I asked myself: What about an MBA in a different major? As it turns out, the combined MBA/DBA requires you to have two different areas of emphasis (one for the MBA and one for the DBA). The MBA areas of emphasis are: Banking & Finance; Healthcare Management & Leadership; Hollywood Business & Entertainment Management; International Management & Marketing; Organization Development & Human Resource Management; and Project & Quality Management. The DBA areas of emphasis are: Entrepreneurship & Business Management; Global Business & Leadership; Healthcare Leadership & Management; Information Systems & Enterprise Resource Management; and Information Systems & Knowledge Management. So, I suppose, if I did go for the combined MBA/DBA, I guess it would be the MBA Banking & Finance and the DBA Entreprenbeurship & Business Management. That said, I'd have to figure out the admissions requirements. If they're hard-line about the requirement of actual experience as a business manager, then I might have to wait years. If an MBA in Entrepreneurship with 3.38 GPA suffices, I might not have to wait years. In the meantime, I also have to clear up my financial aid snafu with Western New Mexico University and get working on my MAIS History & Political Science, which should (if all goes well) have a Summer 2009 start date and a Spring 2011 completion date.

 

I just found out some rather disturbing (to me), but important news. On the CA psych board website, it states that in order to sit for licensure my doctorate has to be from a "regionally accredited" institution. So that means my question regarding Cal Southern's chances for DETC accreditation is a moot point. I wouldn't be able to get my degree from them since DETC is only a national accreditation.

Oh, well. I guess that leaves me with Northcentral. What is frustrating is that Cal Southern told me that with a DETC accredited doctorate I would be able to sit for licensure. According to the psych board's website, that's not true. Someone in the licensing dept. at the psych board even told me DETC accreditation would suffice. But, unless there is an error on their website-and why would there be???-I was given erroneous information.

This is kind of ridiculous...Aren't both of these individuals supposed to have correct information??????????

 

Board of Psychology

The Board of Psychology of the State of California accepts California Southern University's Doctor of Psychology (PsyD) degree as meeting the educational requirements for licensure as a psychologist in California, provided the student is enrolled by 12/31/2008 and graduates by 12/31/2013. Persons interested in licensure are advised to contact the University or the Board of Psychology in Sacramento, California regarding legislative updates extending the University's approval for licensure.

 

Vinipink, I missed the 12/31/2008 enrollment deadline by a mere two weeks, and Cal Southern would not backdate my application. So, given that and the fact that they are not regionally accredited and have no plans to be in the foreseeable future means I cannot get my doctorate from them.

Two other schools would, but they charge the same as Northcentral and though they were approved schools, they cost just as much as Northcentral and they are not regionally accredited.

 

Sorry you miss your deadline and that options are limited, when I was looking for a master's in accounting there was not many options and the few DETC accredited were as expensive as the RA and there was not a guarantee that the State board will accept the degree for the CPA, for that reason I went RA, I pretty much understand you predicament. Best of luck.

 

I think NCU's tuition is the cheapest of all the online RA universities that offer
psych doctorates.

 

Detc accrediting meeting this weekend (June 5-6, 2009).

Hello all,

DETC is having another Accreditation Meeting this weekend (June 5-6, 2009).


Applicants:

Abraham Lincoln University School of Law, Los Angeles-CA

Aerobics and Fitness Association of America, Sherman Oaks-CA

American Fitness Professionals and Associates, Manahawkin-NJ

American Graduate School of Education, Tempe-AZ

BILD International University/Antioch School of Church Planning and Leadership Development, Ames-IA

California Miramar University, San Diego-CA (aka Pacific Western University)

California Southern University, Santa Ana-CA

ChildCare Education Institute, Duluth-GA

National Institute of Whole Health, Wellesley-MA

Open Institute of Law, Vladivostok, Russia

Piccolo International University, Phoenix-AZ

Robert Kennedy College, Zurich, Switzerland

Trinity College of the Bible and Theological Seminary, Newburgh-IN



My guess:

-Abraham Lincoln University School of Law
-Aerobics and Fitness Association of America
-American Fitness Professionals and Associates
-California Miramar University
-California Southern University
-Trinity College of the Bible and Theological Seminary

 

Last time, DETC published the results of such a meeting 18 days after the meeting. The successful schools, of course, are likely to make the announcement right away.

I would consider adding Piccolo International University to jek's list of predictions. Jim Piccolo sounds like a most interesting guy
(http://nouveauricheuniversity.blogharbor.com/), and he supports a bunch of children's charities. He recently hired the former President of the University of Phoenix as his CEO, and intends, he says, to build a $74-million campus in the Phoenix area.

It just seems like the kind of glitzy but content-filled and apparently well-financed approach that may appeal to the accreditor. But they may have a problem with his other school, Nouveau Riche University, aka Nouveau University, which seems to operate like a multi-level business. Sign up students for their $16,000 real estate course, and you keep half. Nouveau offers degrees in real estate topics.

Incidentally, although Mr. Piccolo is all over the internet, I couldn't find any information on his own credentials.

 

I don't know enough about the other schools, but I think California Southern University will likely be accredited.

Unless I'm confusing them with another school, I thought they had a combination MBA/DBA program, but I don't see it on their web site now.

 

His academic education seems to have stopped after receiving a bachelor's degree in business from the University of Nebraska:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:ByQ4nNl1cq8J:nouveauricheuniversity.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2007/9/25/3351001.html+%22jim+piccolo%22+biography&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

And so he had the good sense

(1) not to award himself a higher degree from one of his own schools, and

(2) to hire an extremely well-credentialed person (Ph.D., J.D., and president of the University of Phoenix) to be the head of his school(s).

 

The most interesting possibility to me is California Miramar University. The history of PWU is atrocious yet, the chiropractor owner apparently paid good money for the PWU California branch. He apparently went through a period of threatening to sue as an apparent tactic to improve the name of PWU. (IIRC, threats were made against at least the ODA and Wikipedia) He was thinking of changing the name to California University until the University of California threatened to sue him so it instead became California Miramar University. (I note that in many languages California University and University of California would translate into the same thing and there are some indications that much of the CMU business is from overseas.) The office for CMU is not far from my house.

 

Update with links:

Applicants:

Abraham Lincoln University School of Law, Los Angeles-CA [FONT=&quot]www.alu.edu[/FONT]

Aerobics and Fitness Association of America, Sherman Oaks-CA [FONT=&quot]www.afaa.com[/FONT]

American Fitness Professionals and Associates, Manahawkin-NJ [FONT=&quot]www.afpafitness.com[/FONT]

American Graduate School of Education, Tempe-AZ [FONT=&quot]www.agse.us

[/FONT]BILD International University/Antioch School of Church Planning and Leadership Development, Ames-IA [FONT=&quot]www.bild.org[/FONT]

California Miramar University, San Diego-CA (aka Pacific Western University) [FONT=&quot]www.calmu.edu[/FONT]

California Southern University, Santa Ana-CA [FONT=&quot]www.calsouthern.edu[/FONT]

ChildCare Education Institute, Duluth-GA [FONT=&quot]http://www.cceionline.com/[/FONT]

National Institute of Whole Health, Wellesley-MA [FONT=&quot] www.holehealtheducation.com[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

Open Institute of Law, Vladivostok, Russia [FONT=&quot]http://oiol.ru/eng.html[/FONT]

Piccolo International University, Phoenix-AZ [FONT=&quot]http://www.onlinepiu.com[/FONT]

Robert Kennedy College, Zurich, Switzerland [FONT=&quot]www.college.ch [/FONT]

Trinity College of the Bible and Theological Seminary, Newburgh-IN [FONT=&quot]www.trinitysem.edu[/FONT]

 

Update with links:

Applicants:

Abraham Lincoln University School of Law, Los Angeles-CA www.alu.edu

Aerobics and Fitness Association of America, Sherman Oaks-CA www.afaa.com

American Fitness Professionals and Associates, Manahawkin-NJ www.afpafitness.com

American Graduate School of Education, Tempe-AZ www.agse.us
BILD International University/Antioch School of Church Planning and Leadership Development, Ames-IA www.bild.org

California Miramar University, San Diego-CA (aka Pacific Western University) www.calmu.edu

California Southern University, Santa Ana-CA www.calsouthern.edu

ChildCare Education Institute, Duluth-GA http://www.cceionline.com/

National Institute of Whole Health, Wellesley-MA www.wholehealtheducation.com

Open Institute of Law, Vladivostok, Russia http://oiol.ru/eng.html

Piccolo International University, Phoenix-AZ http://www.onlinepiu.com

Robert Kennedy College, Zurich, Switzerland www.college.ch

Trinity College of the Bible and Theological Seminary, Newburgh-IN www.trinitysem.edu



Oops, The correct link for National Institute of Whole Health, Wellesley-MA www.wholehealtheducation.com

 

Is this Robert Kennedy College in Zurich the same crappy Robert Kennedy that we did some research on years ago?

The one that Emil Mohammed was briefly associated with, that operated from a mailbox service in Italy, and rented space in some castle and claimed it was their campus? The one that was named not for the Robert Kennedy that was a senator, but for some Robert Kennedy in New York that they wouldn't further identify?

If it's these clowns, I can't believe they'd even have the audacity to apply. Of course, I remember hearing that the crappy Chadwick University (another Lloyd Clayton unwonderful, in the spirit of Clayton College of Natural Health) applied some years ago and got rejected... so I guess some unwonderfuls never learn, or maybe hope springs eternal.

 

Yes, same Kennedy.

And don't forget that some other schools that you and I used to call "dreadful" and "non-wonderful" did get DETC accreditation -- including one of Clayton's other wonders, then called American Institute for Computer Science, which claimed its accreditation from the terrible WAUC until the day they got DETC. They are now American Sentinel University, and Lloyd Clayton is referred to as one of the pioneers of distance education in America, and a great philanthropist to boot.

Urp.

 

Dear John:

We’ve known each other a long time so I don’t understand why you need to continually bring up this issue of the long-departed ACCIS.

You and other posters have been dragging around this fossilized carcass of an issue for nearly a decade now, and maybe it is time to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, institutions can evolve and improve under new direction and new owners. Maybe they can hire new faculty and develop new curricula.

The ACCIS asset purchase was almost 4 years ago. American Sentinel has achieved a solid reputation, and its founders include Dr. Rick Oliver and Vanderbilt University. I’ve been its president since it was formed.

Personally, I am confident that I have never done anything to call into question the reputation of any school with which I have been affiliated, so while you are certainly entitled to your opinions based on your experience, I really see no public value or benefit to be derived from continuing to drag out this long dead issue, since just about everything has changed at this institution since this happened now almost ten years ago.

This item from the DETC FAQ expresses how I and others associated with DETC feel:

Q. DETC has been criticized for extending accreditation to institutions that, at one time, held what most people consider to be phony “accreditation” from an unrecognized “accreditation mill.” Why does DETC do that?

A. The small number of institutions that fall into this description have performed well after receiving DETC accreditation, because an applicant institution has to demonstrate that it meets our tough standards before it is accredited by DETC. DETC agrees with fighting the cheapening of accreditation, but telling institutions that once held this kind of accreditation that there is no chance to reform is the wrong tactic. DETC believes in one of the fundamental roles of accreditation: to stimulate institutional self-improvement and to set institutions on the path to academic excellence so that students may benefit, regardless of an institution’s past associations. Prohibiting an institution to pursue accreditation will only allow that institution to continue old practices without reform and to continue to lead students astray.


Mary Adams
President

 

This reminds me of the formerly millish Barrington University, which was at best an unaccredited school. It was sold and I believe it now operates as the DETC-accredited University of Atlanta. Since then, I haven't heard much of anything, good or bad, about this institution. The point it, it appears to have rehabilitated itself to the point where it meets DETC accreditation. Don't forget, California Coast University once had, until fairly recently, a millish reputation as well. Now, it's recommended by members of this board.

On another note, the school I was thinking of that had the dual MBA/DBA program is California Intercontinental University, which is DETC accredited.

 

Dear Mary

You may be right.

Sincerely,

John