Democrats intensify fight against immigrant children: Irresponsible

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  1. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Kizmet:
    • The United States is obeying the law (both INS and Border Patrol).
    • All foreigners claiming asylum can freely walk across the border with their children, as long as they go through an official U.S. port-of-entry. As a result, there is a 1000% increase in foreigners asking for asylum.
    • Only foreigners who illegally cross the border are arrested and separated from their children -- because it is illegal to house children with criminals in the U.S.
     
  2. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    She hit the nail on the head. Locking kids up in cages is inhumane. It makes for bad optics, especially with the elections coming up in November.
     
  3. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Whenever adult lawbreakers are arrested, they are separated from their children. That simply comes with breaking the law and being arrested. Always has. And I don't really see anything wrong with it, nor do I care very much (so long as the kids are being fed properly and so on).

    If everyone is supposed to be so upset about parents being separated from the kids that those same parents intentionally involved in their own lawbreaking, then everyone can be reunited going the other way back across the border.

    What interests me more is the sudden, almost literally overnight, national media hysteria (about nothing).

    It's kind of amazing how all of American journalism (including Fox) turns on a dime and how they all emphasize exactly the same stories. If there's a breaking news event, I can understand it. But with these children, nothing new is happening now that hasn't been happening for years previously. But suddenly over the last 24 hours or so the media have tried to turn it into a crisis, into the United States' most pressing issue. Literally overnight.

    It may just be herd-instinct, but if so, it's amazingly pervasive and effective herd-instinct. Of course, given that most of the editorial policies of the American media are set by a small circle of people in New York City all of whom know each other, attend the same parties and eat at the same restaurants, it probably shouldn't be that surprising.
     
  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    When a person is arrested they have the opportunity to make bail and rejoin their family. The separation might be a day or two. In that time the children are typically cared for by family members in familiar settings, In the cases where people do not make bail they are allowed visitors, phone calls, letters, etc. The children are not locked up. They are not denied knowledge of the whereabouts of their parents or what awaits them in the future. They are not warehoused. I think it's too bad that you don't care about the suffering of innocent children. Especially when it's all avoidable.
     
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  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    ...and was largely avoided until Trump's new "zero tolerance" policy. Which openly included family separation, as a deterrent.

    But then again, hierophant knows all of this. And still says what he says. Say again, what's wrong with the term "deplorables"?
     
  6. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Nonsense.

    Gee guy, it's just days ago that the notorious picture of the children in cages went viral. Because Trump. But then...it was realized that the picture was from 2015.
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  8. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yup. It is inconceivable that they didn't protest May 2018 policy in 2012. Clearly it means that Jeff Sessions' church is 100% Democrat.


    You guys are hopeless.
     
  10. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    The children are intentionally separated from the parents(?). By law. Law enacted during the Clinton administration.

    Why such a law?

    To reduce the known problem of child trafficking.


    Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX) recalled how many unaccompanied undocumented minors were being detained during the Obama years. You just didn't hear about it.

    “It was kept very quiet under the Obama administration," he said on Fredricka Whitfield's CNN program Saturday. "There were large numbers of people coming in. The Obama administration was trying to keep this quiet.”

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/06/18/dem-rep-makes-admission-about-border-detention-centers-n2491845



    You keep referring to some 'You guys.' Is this a DegreeInfo member?
     
  11. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    See what you did here? This refers to wholly separate policy enacted for completely different reasons. Whatever merits of that policy is, it does not, in any way, reflect on Sessions/Trump Zero Tolerance Policy of May 2018. They are, completely, unrelated. Unaccompanied undocumented minors were effectively abandoned by their parents to cross the border; Obama's DHS tried to discourage that dangerous practice. This may or may not have been the right policy; I have my doubts. However, it has. nothing. whatsoever. to. do. with what's happening now. Bringing up these policies now is Administration officials - and the president - pretending to be unintelligent chatbots doing fuzzy keyword search. The fact that so many eat it up casts major doubt on the premise of the Turing Test (or on alleged intelligence of these many commenters). But I think it's this:

    This is horrifying:
    In other words, the Administration took these children as leverage (hostages) to force their (anti)immigration agenda. In exactly the same way, Putin passed the "scroundel's law) in 2012, using Russian orphans (in some cases, grievously sick) that Americans were willing to adopt as leverage (hostages), in an effort to end sanctions on his human rights-violating buddies under Magnitsky Act. They even try to extort the same entity: U. S. Congress. I don't know whether this is a mentoring relation between Putin and Trump, Palpatine/Anakin style, or just birds of a feather kind of thing.
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  14. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Unrelated? Two sides of the same coin are unrelated?

    How?

    That wasn't an admission but a statement. What would the Trump administration have to admit about laws passed by the likes of Nancy Pelosi?

    Trump wants Congress to fix what it's broken.
     
  15. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    • Stanislav is straight-up disinformation, also known as fake news.
    • Stanislav admits to being Russian (bloodline) and receiving communist training.
     
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    What makes you say that, at least about this? Pointing out hypocrisy is fair game.
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Steve, that was a tabloid story quoting a person who claims to be a major celebrity's love child. It's no different than reporting on political opinions of Elvis alleged offspring or alien abductees.
    Besides, it is well established that Bill is a pig, sexual morality-wise. This has less than zero to do with the story at hand.
    Now that I had to have this conversation, I feel a little worse about the world.
     
  18. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    This might be helpful in understanding Stanislav:

     
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  19. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

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