Deeply troubled re ICE raids

Clearly these sorts of cases do not constitute the vast majority of deportations. They're exceptional and thus make headlines. In any event, I personally affirm a pathway-to-citizenship. The argument, exceptional situations aside, still holds true.

 

It seems obvious that Steve Miller and this administration care very little for the law. They just want to do what they want to do and care little for "irritating details" like the law and due process. If they cared about following the law they wouldn't ignore judges orders. They complain that they can't follow due process because it takes too long. If they cared about the law they would have used some of the many billions of dollars thrown at making Trump's Gestapo ICE squad huge to instead hire more immigration judges to speed up the exercising of required due process.

 

That's a tough one. What if they ended up hiring immigration judges who did their jobs? All that due process and protecting rights could get messy.

 

EXACTLY! That's why they don't care about following the law. They just want to do what they want to do and care little for such "irritating details" like the law and due process.

 

Yes they do. 70.4% held in ICE detention have no criminal conviction. They are running a concentration camp.
https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/

 

It's the scapegoating that smells so fascist. That and the mass arrests.

 

And false.

Being in the U.S. without proper documentation isn't a crime of any kind. It is a civil offense dealt with through administrative means. Cases are adjudicated by immigration judges, who are lawyers but not actually judges. They work for DHS in the Executive Branch.

If someone has been ordered out of the country and subsequently returns, THEN they can be charged with a felony. And THEN they would be prosecuted by the Executive Branch and tried by the Judicial.

As some readers know, I worked for US Citizenship and Immigration Services for a decade. I was a GS-15 throughout that time, but not an immigration officer. Still, you can't miss this stuff when you're surrounded by it every day.

 

Not that the civil nature of "removal" is any particular favor to the alien, though. If they made it a crime, the alien would suddenly gain rights like free counsel and maybe a jury trial. Staying in the civil arena makes it quick.

 

Let's be reminded that there are vast differences between theologically liberal "Christianity" and orthodox Christianity. One is thoroughly wedded to the zeitgeist, and the other is thoroughly wedded to Scripture.

 

Hmm.

“Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.”
Deuteronomy 27:19

"The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.”
Exodus 12:49

“Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt."
Exodus 22:21

 

Is this really the game you want to play? Proof-texting the Israelite civil law as support for illegal immigration? And doing this with someone who is a Bible scholar? Maybe rethink that approach.

 

Hey Steve, before you wax long about something you probably have no idea about, perhaps give some consideration to the other side and do some reading. Merely because someone or some people claim the moniker "Christian" doesn't make it so. "Christianity" is definable and redefinable according to a litany of agendas and movements. Theological liberalism recasts Christianity according to the acids of modernity to fit a social project, context depending. It rejects the historic affirmations of the church, the authority of the Bible, and anything remotely close to theological orthodoxy-- especially biblical ethics. Therefore, to appeal to theological liberals as exemplifying a "Christian response" to the Garcia ordeal, while ignoring their abandonment of Christianity, is either duplicitous or rooted in a lack of awareness of basic theological concepts.

 

"As in the case of the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament authors do not provide support for a general openness to foreigners as such, regardless of their religious affiliation, or for a political programme promoting large-scale migration / open borders, or prioritising help to migrants as opposed to help to other persons in need. What we find in the New Testament is something else, something which differs from both a narrow nationalism and a general cosmopolitan humanitarianism: a prioritising of help for the brothers and sisters in Christ, regardless of their ethnic background." (Mass-Migration to the Western World in Light of the Hebrew Bible : The Challenge of Complexity - Markus Zehnder)

Link: https://scispace.com/pdf/mass-migration-to-the-western-world-in-light-of-the-hebrew-246829t1cg.pdf

 

When did that happen?

 

A response to the Garcia's ordeal either conforms to Christ's teaching, or it doesn't. This has nothing to do with "theological liberals'" alleged shortcomings in doctrine. It is sad that someone spends decades studying the Bible and only learns how to dress an ad hominem fallacy in a heavy serving of appeal to authority. From a Protestant, to boot.

 

Since "Christ's teaching" is presented in the Bible, it's pretty clear which response conforms therein.

Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up through your unsubstantiated pontification.

My argument wasn't against the man but his assertion. Learn what an ad hominem is. Further, please demonstrate the implied fallacious appeal to authority, or don't, and confirm my suspicion that you are projecting.

Weren't you just saying something about ad hominem?

 

Speaking strictly as a member of this commuinity, I'm a little sick of this. It's childish and rude.