Deeply troubled re ICE raids

Donald Trump isn't doing anything new with deportations and denaturalizations. He's just doing it on a larger and more public scale. Even Obama earned the nickname "Deporter in Chief". Trump can do what he's doing only because Congress failed to reform our immigration law even when Democrats were in charge. More, Trump is "Taking care that the laws are enforced", a bitter irony.

But gosh, this is ugly. Long term residents are part of our national community. They work here. They pay taxes. They have U.S. citizen children.

What we are doing now FEELS deeply immoral to me.

Comments?

 

I definitely agree. I saw a piece on the TV news about some grandmother that has been living here most of her life. All of her kids were born here as well as her grandkids. ICE rounded her up and was saying that she was going to be deported. It broke my heart.

Polling indicates that we are in the majority with these feelings. Steve Miller is going to continue this until he is forced to stop.

 

“First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me”

Pastor Martin Niemöller

 

It's chillingly similar.

 

Difficult national situation for sure. Countless lives upended. Families devastated. People ripped from their lives. However, let's be reminded that what caused this was neither the executive nor the legislature. Instead, these people, however well-intentioned, broke our laws, and it has caught up to them.

 

This lawful evil phrase reminds me of Dungeons and Dragons. If you play I could ask the Dungeon Master if he wants another player.

 

We play once a week on Zoom.

 

Lemme guess, Wizard class.

 

I already explained.

Not wizard class, Dungeons and Dragons. D&D is a role playing game. We play once a week on Zoom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons

We play using the old second edition rules.

 

The deportation of illegals is "evil"? According to what standard? If I commit a felonious crime, I'll be incarcerated and subsequently separated from my vocation and family. Is that evil, too?

 

Most of the people being arrested have mot committed a dangerous crime despite being disappeared in concentration camps.

 

Republicans have been running on “immigration” for a couple decades or so. Polling indicates that this is likely an example of the dog catching the car. It is not popular. Stories of workers being rounded up from farms, hotels, restaurants, Home Depots, etc. are generally not making people happy. Sending people off to foreign torture prisons without any due process is illegal and looks pretty damn evil to me.

 

Pee-Wee German

 

It's not just immoral. It's also self-defeating, cutting your nose off to spite your face.

This particular flavor of cruelty is already having unpleasant downstream effects.

 

The problem with this argument is that many people being deported are not actually out-of-status until the government revokes their visa or retroactively unapproves an immigration benefit, and then claiming that they overstayed on the basis of this action, even when the revocation is unlawful (like revoking a visa for protected speech.) Some of those deported are US citizens, even though US law states only non-citizens can be deported. Some of those deported have been deported against the direct orders of federal judges for due process reasons.

When the US governent is deporting US citizen kids with cancer, they're being evil.