Debunking Charlie Kirk Quotes

Yeah, you know, the one indicated in the church's historic confessional and credal documents.

Nonsense. While I do not recognize the pontiff, I'm certainly a catholic Christian who believes in the one holy and apostolic church. The term καθολικός refers not merely to the RCC but to every Christian in heaven and on earth.

Sure, Christians believe different things. Mainly, they differ on matters of secondary and tertiary significance. However, standard credal orthodoxy hasn't changed a bit.

It's a job delegated by God to the church. You're arguing against the NT at this point.

And yet the NT commands such judgments.

 

Such a child.

 

Missed a few:

“If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

“Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

“If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024

“If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

“The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024

“The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024

“America has freedom of religion, of course, but we should be frank: large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 30 April 2025

 

You believe in One Holy and Apostolic Church, you are just choosing to disobey it. Every Apostolic community has some kind of a story showing continuity from the original Church, debatable (and debated) may they be. Your community doesn't even try claiming that. You'all are just petulant children who took their toys and left. Which does not mean you are not a Christian; it just makes it funny when you try to speak with the Church authority (while rejecting the Church authority in your pet issues). Funny.
Also, I am interested in how exactly you are keeping the "moral law" that calls for stoning your neighbors. You know, the one Charlie Kirk cited.

 

What is funny is that you have just divulged that you know very little about the Reformation or Reformed churches. We understand "apostolic" as a reference to the apostles, their witness, and their doctrine, which we certainly do keep as it is found in the NT. The Reformation is not a repudiation of the Western church but a reformation back to the teaching of the apostles. The magisterial reformers did not "take their toys and leave"; they were excommunicated, hunted down, and frequently martyred. No reformer wanted to start a church. Perhaps you should take the time to read some of the standard sources before pontificating.

Great, I am happy to educate you. The laws you reference are civil penalties for capital offenses. Therefore, these are not moral laws but civil laws. Had you read my comment carefully, you'd note that I said moral laws have abiding relevance, while ceremonial and civil laws are essentially abrogated. While much can be said regarding the general equity of Israel's civil law code, the actual stipulations are inherently tied to a nation that no longer exists. Of course, even a cursory reading of any systematic theology, biblical theology, or Old Testament theology, whether written by a Roman Catholic, an Orthodox Christian, or even a loathsome Protestant, would explain as much. That is, the threefold division of the OT law isn't a Protestant distinctive.

 

Religious discussions are boring to me. You do seem to be well educated in your faith. I was brought up in the Mormon church. I had to go to classes designed to teach Mormon missionaries how to preach the faith to potential converts. The Mormon Church seems pretty successful in that regard. The Mormon church has been one of the faster growing churches for many years. If you'd like to rant against the Mormon church I'd be happy to join in with you?

 

Maybe I'll just get started and then you can jump in. Mormons say that the Holy Ghost is a spirit entity that is separate from God. I guess his name tag would read Holy Ghost. Joseph Smith knows this because he saw the Holy Ghost, God, and Jesus Christ. Is that what you believe? If not, who is the Holy Ghost and why do you think Joseph Smith said that about the Holy Ghost?

 

Sorry, I was trying think of a topic that Michael might have been interested in. Apologies if I offended anyone. I was trying to be amusing. Those kind of topics make my Mormon cousin laugh. But he has a very good sense of humor.

 

The LDS church teaches polytheism (i.e., the F, S, and HS are separate gods). By contrast, orthodox Christianity is resolutely monotheistic and trinitarian.

 

Polytheism is very common, of course. As you say the LDS church teaches there are three, the Heavenly Father, his son Jesus, and the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit). My question is, are there other common Christian faiths that teach Heavenly Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are three separate entities?

 

Christadelphians and Unitarians: reject the Trinity, viewing Jesus as subordinate to God and the Holy Spirit as God’s power.
However, among major orthodox Christian denominations (Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Reformed, Baptist, Methodist, etc.), all are Trinitarian—not teaching that the three are separate beings.
J Witnesses: teach that JHWA is the only true God; Jesus is His first creation (the archangel Michael); and the Holy Spirit is God’s active force, not a person.

Oneness Pentecostals (the opposite extreme): deny three persons altogether, teaching that God is one person who manifests Himself in different modes—as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

According to His sayings, the Father is greater not equal - it can be understood that His message is the same as Fathers, i,e He delivered what the sender sent Him to do. In this HE didn't add or substracted, thus He is One with the Father is the acuracy of the message. Even after glorification. His NEw name is uncknown -And HE refers to His Father My God. - Rev 3-12 “The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it.
I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.”

 

If I understood correctly, you're saying that three separate beings (Heavenly Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) is not taught in other major Christian religions besides LDS?

When I was a kid, I went with my Mormon cousin to his seminary class. They teach 14 to 18 year old kids how to be good missionaries in seminary. I remember them talking about the Holy Ghost being a separate being as a potential topic that might come up during missionary work. The instructor made a statement along the lines that someone might assert that Joseph Smith didn't know what he was talking about because the Holy Spirit is just a representation of God's holy power. The instructor then went into the best way to respond.

 

A book I read more than 30 years ago and the sequel explains and points to all the different denominations and challenges, the book was very simple to read and understand, well-documented book which clearly exposes the heretical teachings.

Christianity in Crisis and Christianity in Crisis: 21st Century
The author Hendrik "Hank" Hanegraaff (born 1950) was the president of the Christian Research Institute (CRI), and hosted the "Bible Answer Man" radio talk-show, since the death of Walter Martin in 1989; a nationally syndicated radio broadcast, which was and still heard daily across the United States and Canada—and around the world via the Internet at equip.org. Hank is the author of more than twenty books.

Christianity in Crisis and Christianity in Crisis: 21st Century
Nearly three decades ago Hank Hanegraaff's award-winning Christianity in Crisis alerted the world to the dangers of a cultic movement within Christianity that threatened to undermine the very foundation of biblical faith.
But in the 21st century, there are new dangers--new teachers who threaten to do more damage than the last. Christianity in Crisis: 21st Century exposes darkness to light, pointing us back to a Christianity

 

No.

 

I read an article today and discovered something that I never knew before. Turning Point USA was/is "rubbing elbows" with branches of hate in this country. TPUSA was created by Charlie Kirk. It was listed by both both the Anti Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center in their online resources about hate groups.

Here's the article.

MAGA wages campaign to redefine "hate" after Kirk killing
quote:
MAGA activists have launched a crusade against two of the nation's most storied civil rights watchdogs, accusing them of smearing conservatives as extremists.

Why it matters: For decades, the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center have shaped America's understanding of hate. MAGA leaders — backed by the Trump administration and Elon Musk — are now trying to strip them of that influence.
...
The ADL accused Kirk's group of drawing "support from anti-Muslim bigots, alt-lite activists and some corners of the white supremacist alt-right," while the SPLC included the group on its "hate map," saying it has ties to "hard-right extremists."
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Kirk drew scrutiny for comments about Islam being "incompatible with the West" and warnings about the "great replacement" of whites — rhetoric the watchdogs saw as echoing extremist talking points.

https://www.axios.com/2025/10/04/adl-splc-charlie-kirk-maga-fbi

Of course the MAGA Republicans are losing their minds over this. But their talk and fear about whites losing the majority puts them in a very racists corner themselves, IMHO.

 

I see.

Just to clarify, TPUSA wasn't labeled as a hate group, not like the KKK or something. As I understand it, it was more that some hate groups try to associate themselves with TPUSA. I do think that the Trump administration is making themselves look bad by joining with the MAGA crowd attacking the ADL and the SPLC the way they are.

 

True but, I'll guess that Trump might sometimes want to post something or do something so bad that they are able to talk him out of it.