Conservative commentator banned from CNN for violent rhetoric

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't understand are you advocating taking the land from sovereign democratic state of Israel?
    Israel is already a country.
    There was never a Palestinian state or country.
    As to Amrican natives they also fought and occupied other tribes, are you saying giving the country to descendents of the first inhabitants that came from Sybiria,
    Maybe Putin :)?
    Many natives DNA traced to those who came from Syberia vis Bereng straight, etc.
    Arabs of Palestine are not some different people, they are a part of Pan Arab nation. They left mostly die to the war that was forced on youn Jewish state.
    Turks occupied it for 400 years, is this Turk?
     
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  2. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    No, I'm not advocating for dismantling an already constructed country. Because of colonialism and imperialism, many countries were created unnaturally in the 1900s, which has caused many wars and acts of ethnic cleansing. I'm arguing that a religious book doesn't give a group of people a right to land.

    Your writing is becoming very difficult to read. Everyone in the Middle East came out of Africa. Everyone everywhere came out of Africa. Indigenous Americans were just the first ones to inhabit the Americas. According to your holy book, the Israelites were not even native to the land they were "given." They beat people in wars, and they lost wars.

    The Israelites lost their sovereignty because they couldn't successfully fight back. That's what happened to Native Americans and many other groups all over the globe. Israelis are not special. You're proving my point. White people will do mental gymnastics to argue why Jews are entitled to land they lost control of fair and square, but they don't think any other group of colonized people deserve to have their land back.
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    But now they have controll over their land and regained sovereignty.
    Why are yiu singling whitebpeole?
    What mental gymnastics?
    Israel did not attack it neighbors, the neighbors attacked aisrael.
    Jews and other minorities found refuge in Ottoman empire. Escaping the Inquesition they settled in Iran, Turkey, and other countries.

    In 100 years from now, Mexico may have other borders.
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You were the one that seemed to be arguing that Jews are entitled to Israel because of stories in the bible. sanantone was just responding to that apparent argument.
     
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  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The whole point was to show that the Jews didn't just came from Europe and took the land away from some owners.
    A. Jews were already in the land , their land.
    B. Jews that were in exile retuning to their ancestral land to join the Jews already living there. Be it under Ottomans or Brits.
    And in 1948 it became the New, Old Israel.
    Soveregn State, a national home for Jewish people that can immigrate to that land. Indeed 900,000 Jewish refugees expelled from Arab countries setled in Israel.
    The minorities there are protected by and serve in Police, IDF etc.
    This small land.
    Arabs of Palestine who called themselves Syrians chose to fight and destroy Israel, joined the Arab countries roundabout.
    It's not like Arabs are short on land.
    This was always a religeus conflict.
    During the Civil War before Israel was formed the Arabs in Jerusalem walked with heads in the stick. Shouted Itbach Yahud. Kill the Jews.
     
  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Not quite the whole story. Israel has been racist toward Ethiopian Jews and other Black people who have moved to Israel, but so is Palestine. The Semitic peoples should be able to bond over their hatred for Black people. The Ashkenazi Jews are also racist toward Mizrahi Jews. I guess they think that partial European DNA they have makes them superior. Additionally, Arab Israelis have complained about discrimination.

    Even though the majority of Israelis are either Mizrahi or Sephardic, the government has mostly been controlled by Ashkenazi Jews.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israel is a young country with immigrants and non immigrants from all parts of the world. People from different walks of life and mentality.
    It takes time to build a society. I agree with your observation, and ministers such as David Levi were an exception, and Supreme court judges mostly Ashkenazi, but this is changing.
    For example Polish and Romanian and Hungarian immigrants established themselves well, while Soviet immigrants came generations later, were seen as laborers and in the 70s one would rarely see a former Soviet Jew as a manager in a firm or factory, or an officer in the military etc. Yemenite Jews were purposely directed in to agriculture and field work because of their ability to function in intense heat conditions, so they didn't get academic education but more of vocational education at the time.
    Moroccan Jews immigrated to Israel during hard economic times, and lived in harsh conditions, while Soviet Jews when they came they got much better conditions as the country was doing better economically and also the Jewish agency was enjoying from better donations worldwide. This created tension and animosity between the immigrants. A decade passed and one could see mixed marriages between Moroccan and Russian Jews, and children growing up together, serving in the army together slowly another decade passed, the differences almost despaired. Same for Ethiopian and other groups, they came decade after Soviet Jews and had a very different mentality, it takes time, and young democracy in the Middle East will resolve these issues. Truly unique society.
    An Arab Israeli Judge sentenced an Israeli President (convicted of sexual harassment of an employee, etc.) To 7 years in jail.
    Show one Jewish judge in Middle Eastern countries?
     
  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  10. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Clinton must be suffering from dementia, too. He wasn't negotiating with Hamas; he was negotiating with the PLO. Hamas didn't take control of Gaza until 2007.

    His comment about who was there first is stupid. Yes, Judaism existed before Islam, but Islam is not an ethnicity. Converting to a different religion doesn't change your ancestry. Also, Judaism hasn't existed forever. Prior to the invention of the religion, people in that region followed the Canaanite pantheon.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    He was involved in the 90s with the peace process and this speech shows he realized this is not working.
    He is calling for end of war, trying to kill each other and find new approach to better future. He endorsed Harris with such task.
    Strong point that Israeli people who supported the peace process and Palestinian rights were the first that Gazan terrorists slotted.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Clinton is correct about Jewish people, the nation Israel being there first, before the birth of Islam in 7th centry.
    Clinton knows that this conflict is religious.
    He is smart and his comment is smart.
    Jewish kings and prophets rulled the land of Israel when tribes of first Muslims still worshiped stones.
     
  13. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    Bill looks more frail than good ol’ Sleepy Joe.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

     
  15. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Tribes of first Muslims still worshipped stones? What does that even mean? Muslim is not an ethnicity. If they were worshipping stones, then they weren't Muslims. Muslims worship the god of Abraham, and almost everything that Muslims are criticized for can be found in the Old and New Testaments. If it weren't for the existence of Judaism, Islam wouldn't exist.
     
  16. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    17-year-old wearing Trump shirt punches 70-year-old Harris supporter.

    https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/martin-county/2024/11/02/stuart-police-charge-teen-with-punching-harris-supporter-70/76014623007/

    18-year-old Trump supporter arrested for threatening Harris voters with a machete.

    https://apnews.com/article/machete-trump-florida-harris-arrest-32874969448c23ae1421cbd8b9dade48

    “Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.” - Trump speaking about Liz Cheney.

    The MAGA cult says that he wasn't being literal, but when Biden said, "target on his back," MAGA didn't accept that as a figure of speech, even though it clearly was. Therefore, I think that Trump should be investigated for threatening a former lawmakers.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html
     
  17. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    Yes, but Biden called MAGA supporters garbage.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    First Muslims were Arabs, for most of the part.
    Yes, they borrowed alot from Judaism and Christianity.
    So to me First Muslims are followers of Muhammad, not the characters of OT and NT.

    More than 20,000 missiles of
    various types fired at Israel since October 7,2023. No country would permit this
    continuous terror, and villifying Israel for defending against it is part ignorance and part bigotry. The single root cause of the war against Israel is the desire to undo history, and destroy Israel and its 9 million + inhabitants,
    Everything else is pretense and justification,
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Pennsylvania 'Hamas operative' charged with synagogue vandalism, donated to Squad Dems: report
    Danielle Wallace
    Sun, November 3, 2024 at 7:45 AM CST

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    Pennsylvania 'Hamas operative' charged with synagogue vandalism, donated to Squad Dems: report
    A self-described "Hamas operative" accused of vandalizing Jewish buildings in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and purchasing explosive materials, reportedly had donated to "Squad" Democrats critical of Israel.
     

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