Conservative commentator banned from CNN for violent rhetoric

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  1. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Good for CNN. Sounds fair to me.
     
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  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Ryan Girdusky, during a discussion about the Israel-Hamas war, told Mehdi Hasan, the founder and editor-in-chief of Zeteo News, “I hope your beeper doesn’t go off”—an allusion to Israel’s attack last month, in which the country’s forces detonated explosives it had secretly planted in pagers used by the Hezbollah militia group in Lebanon.
    “Did you just say I should die? Did you just say I should be killed?” Hasan responded.

    Former MSNBC's Mehdi Hasan quit earlier in the year, the network rejecting a demotion.
    It is alleged that guy is pro Hamas (A Terrorist Organization), anti-Israel. Hasan, who previously worked at Al Jazeera, was allegedly accused of propaganda, deliberately portraying the suffering in Gaza in a one-sided way to promote anti-Israel protests, and blaming Israel. Promoting what some view as Jihadi interests.
    As to Ryan, he should have challenged Mehdi with facts, instead of what perceived as an accusation of being a terrorist that should be killed.
    It appears the Pro Palestinian Terror propaganda pushed Ryan overage to over-react on TV.

    Ryan Girdusky, who is from New York, is a conservative political commentator and writer who co-authored the 2020 book They're Not Listening: How the Elites Created the National Populist Revolution, which is about how "cosmopolitan elites across the globe are ignoring the will of the people—pushing disgruntled voters into the arms of national-populist parties and politicians."
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I watched a few shows hosted by Mehdi Hasan on weekends. He seemed like a decent anchor. I never saw him being anti-Israel. Admittedly I didn't see many of his shows. I also admit that I don't consider myself anti-Israel but appreciate that some here may see that differently.
     
  5. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    a few people people on the right have made allegations against Mehdi Hasan, but we know objectively that Ryan Girdusky used violent, racist rhetoric against him on live TV. I am tired of people trying to defend this type of behavior. There is no middle ground here. One person was objectively out of line.
     
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  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Agreed.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    There was nothing racist about it.
    Since when alleging someone is a terrorist group operative is racist?
    Hassan is pro Palertinian and Palestinian rights supporter thats all.
    To some people this can mean that its for Israel destruction by all means as the pro Palestinian protesters chant on the streets and on the campuses.


    People on the left also allege that Hasans presenting views can be interpreted as supportive of Palestinian in their quest to commit genoside against Israelis.

    MSNBC demotion was for a reason, he quit rather than accept new role.
     
  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    From what I've seen from Hasan, he's equally applied human rights concerns to everyone, not just Palestinians. He questioned Jill Stein on her hypocrisy when it comes to Ukrainians and Syrians. Right now, we have a lot of performative concern among those who only care about Israelis and those who only care about Palestinians. In the meantime, the genocide that's occurring in Sudan, which is being added by the UAE and Russia's Wagner Group, is getting very little attention.
     
  9. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    I cant believe this needs to be stated: falsely accusing a brown muslim man of being a terrorist is racist.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This has noting to do with race.
    Accusing someone as being terrorist it's another issue. Here he was out of line.
    But not on racist issue.
    99% of Hezbollah terrorists are Shia Arabs. It's a fact.
    This not racist to state a fact.

    Emphasizing that someone is serving the interest of Hamas is not racist.
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It is either racists or prejudging someone based on their religious beliefs, Islamophobic. Only a small percent of Moslems are terrorists. Mehdi Hasan is well educated successful journalist/reporter/pundit living in the USA, assuming that he wants to commit genocide against Israelis is very racist or Islamophobic.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't agree with that, When pro Palestinians protesters match all over campuses and chant pro Hamas slogans, it has no color, besides Terror support.
    Coming out of Al Jazeera one is highly biased against Israel. And if Hassan was white American background saying the same thing in support of Palestinians, I think the guy would have said the same thing to him. Had no connection to being Muslim or Arab, the focus is pro Hamas (a designated terrorist organization).

    I don't support what he said, it was wrong, I would have confronted the views the same way I do in this group. Today Pro-Palestinians are calling for genocide of Israelis.,
     
  13. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    What did Hasan say that was pro-Hamas?
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I used to watch him on MSNBC.
    Leveling inflammatory terms such as "genocide" without justifying them with credible facts does not constitute a rational discussion, but in my view qualifies one as a tool of Hamas propaganda. Hamas has managed to persuade some people that the sky is green and that oranges are blue. Jews are among the people most familiar with true genocide. Note that it is not sufficient that many people be killed, because that is also a consequence of war.
    I can't disagree with everything Hassan said, but I do take issue with him insisting it's a genocide and comparing Islamism with Zionism.
    I'm not familiar with any Islamist groups that are not extremist, however I know many Zionists that are not extremist, President Biden referred to him self as Zionist.
    The intent is the critical factor. When one understands this, one understands that what Hamas did to Israel on October 7 and Hezbollah with Iran planned for Israel and prepared, all qualifies as genocide.
    And this what I would have argued with Hassan, on CNN, if I was there.

    BTW, my understanding of Zionism is - existence of a Jewish state in the ancestral home of the Jews for 3,000 years - one in which there has always been a Jewish presence, despite multiple conquests over the centuries.
     
  15. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    He probably did present credible facts, much like I have in the numerous posts I have engaged with you on this very topic. You just don't see them as credible because they don't align with your world view. It is a genocide per definition.
     
  16. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    That is neither pro-Hamas nor a reason to believe that someone is a terrorist.

    Every time someone brings up colonialism and giving land back, White people say that people lose wars all the time. The Jews lost their land to bigger military powers. Do you believe in giving the U.S. back to the Native Americans and Alaskan Natives? How about we give Hawaii back to Hawaiian Natives and Puerto Rico back to Puerto Ricans? We can't give it back to the Tainos because the Europeans killed almost all of them, and the few who were left mixed into the African and European populations.

    While we're spending billions for Israelis to stay on land they lost fair and square, let's give my people reparations for hundreds of years of unpaid labor and 100 years of black codes and Jim Crow. Let's not forget that the Old Testament says that the Israelites committed genocide repeatedly to take people's land.
     
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  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israel never lost the land.
    They lost sovereignty.
    Israel continually lived in this land for 3000 years. Be it Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Roman's, Bezantine, Arabs, Turks and others, they came occupied for some time, Ottomans 400 years, and left.
    Israel is again a Sovereign Country since 1948.
    Arab workers migrated from different Arab countries.
    2 million Arabs live in Israel with full rights.
    Israel didn't take any land.
    900,000 Jews were expelled robbed of their homes, belongings from surrounding Arab countries. Also Jews migrated from lands they were in excile and joined the Jews in the land.
    There were some viliges, small # that were expelled but majority of Arabs left Israel on their own.
    They listened to Arab armies in 1948.
     
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  18. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    That area was sparsely populated until the British took over. The vast majority of Israelis were not living there 100 years ago. Many Palestinians also fled that area and went to Egypt. Both groups are descendants of Canaanites. All this fighting over books of myths is stupid.
     
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  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    We have history, and records that can be checked. For example the Ottoman rule and the actions of Sultans, like Suleman the magnificent, who allowed Jews to increase their population, resettle and develop Safed, and after him, even larger return of Jewish families settled the areas.
    The Jewish presence was there for thousands of years, at times in smaller #s.
    Who knows time will pass and European Arabs who migrated from lets say Syria, will remain Arabs or be some other people?
    The fact is there is a sovereign country, Israel. As of 1948 fighting for its existence.
    Those who want to destroy it, majority believe that Jews and Christians should pay tribute and tax to them, and can't have their own country, army etc.

    And Iranian death cult, with it proxies that's another discussion, Iran will fight till the last Arab.
     
  20. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Native Americans have been here continuously for tens of thousands of years, so let's give them their land back. While we're at it, the U.S. and western Europe should purchase land in West Africa for descendants of chattel slavery since that is our ancestral land.
     

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