Congratulations President Bush...

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Carl_Reginstein, Sep 13, 2005.

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  1. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

    Political Maneuver

    It is a maneuver to decrease further Democratic political advancements by using the issue against him.
     
  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Political Maneuver

    This is the problem with those who are too subjective to be objecive about President Bush.

    He was highly and critically condemned for not taking responsibility and when he does, it's a political "maneuver." :rolleyes:

    This is the type of person who would have been the first to condemn Bush had he immediately intervened accusing him of usurping state and municipal authority.

    By the way, the word came out today that Amtrak offered to transport the poor, sick, etc., out of the city and the local officials declined!
     
  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Kudos to Carl for his objectivity. I watched the press conference and heard Bush take responsibility.
     
  4. Re: Political Maneuver

    Perhaps.... but it is also a glimpse of that elusive quality called "leadership" which we haven't seen in a while from our current President....
     
  5. kansasbaptist

    kansasbaptist New Member

    Posted by Carl_Reginstein
    I think this is a good point. LEADERSHIP has always been my problem with GWB. I think he is a decent and caring man, but he is not very articulate (to say the least) and he does not exude confidence and control. I was watching some of the 9/11 specials and I was reminded of the leadership that Mayor Giuliani (sp?) portrayed. He was confident, decisive, and everyone around him knew who was in charge. It wasn't so much about swiftness of action or even "what" he said -- he took charge and made us feel like everything was going to be OK.

    I sure wish President Bush had some of those qualities.


    Posted by Laser100
    It is simply amazing how one day President Bush is too dumb to tie his own shoes and the next he is an ingenious and covert operative.
     
  6. Yeah..... Do you remember that one skit on Saturday Night Live back in the Reagan years where they were showing Ronnie with a bunch of school kids in the White House, acting like the doddering old personna he exhibited in public, only to switch on a dime to this super-sharp articulate executive whenever the photo op was over?

    Maybe that's what Bush is like too, huh? Dumb and bumbling everytime the camera is on him, but Albert Einstein when he is behind closed doors???

    LOL!
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I don't know about being a closet Einstein, but I can't imagine that he's as big a dipsh!t as he looks. I think it's a folksy act, and that it works.

    I was no Clinton fan, but at least the man managed to be folksy without looking like an imbecile.

    -=Steve=-
     
  8. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

    Putting Words in My Mouth.

    Carl_Reginstein,

    I did not make this quote.

    "It is simply amazing how one day President Bush is too dumb to tie his own shoes and the next he is an ingenious and covert operative."


    You are putting words in my mouth.



    My only statement was as follows:


    "It is a maneuver to decrease further Democratic political advancements by using the issue against him."

    This does not mean that Bush thought of this maneuver. He has advisors.
     
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  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It's just words.

    I think that what bothers me most about this Administration is that "Taking responsibility" is nothing but words. There are never any consequences.

    Rumsfeld is still Secretary of Defense.
    Karl Rove is still in the White House staff.

    Is there going to be a reordering of national priorities? No sign of it. Is he going to back down on tax cuts and program cuts? No, he was right all along, AFAICT.

    Besides, the President can't think of any mistake he's ever made, barring a few appointments, so what is he taking responsibility FOR?
     
  10. kansasbaptist

    kansasbaptist New Member

    This is my quote -- Carl was quoting me quoting you. I don't think he was attributing the comment to you.

    That said, I intended the comment to be facetious; a stab at the lefties who constantly go back and forth with GWB.

    Perhaps I am the naive one, but I just don't believe they every action that every politician takes is tainted. Is it not possible that GWB is sincere and wants to make things better?

    I know that concept is inconceivable to the idealogues whose agenda will not allow them to say or find anything positive in the actions of those they disagree with.
     
  11. kansasbaptist

    kansasbaptist New Member

    "To the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," - GWB

    "serious problems in our response capability" - GWB

    "Are we capable of dealing with a severe attack or another severe storm? That's a very important question and it's in our national interest that we find out exactly what went on so we can better respond," - GWB

    "I'm not going to defend the process going in" - GWB

    President George W. Bush took responsibility on Tuesday for federal government failures in handling the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina - Reuters

    Bush himself raised questions about preparedness, after four years of record spending on domestic security since 11 September 11 2001. - Aljazeera

    Jeez, even Aljazeera understands what he taking responsibility for. He took complete responsiblity for everything the federal government did wrong. Not just in the response to Katrina, but in our overall preparedness and mistakes in realignment since 9/11.

    Does he not deserve the opportunity to investigate and find out what went wrong before he starts firing people?
     
  12. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Not saying all who dislike President Bush on here fall into this category, but I still maintain the real reason for such hatred of Mr. Bush is the 2000 election.

    This became quite clear again last evening on one of the talk shows. The interviewer kept hammering an anti-Bush Democratic operative and she retorted "We won in 2000!"

    Her response had nothing to do with the questions and/or comments by the interviewer, just a worn out, tired, automatic "mental tape" response and retort every time Bush is discussed with many left of center.
     
  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh, I ABSOLUTELY hate President Bush in some degree because of the 2000 election but since then he has given me so many more good reasons to hate and despise him.

    But my fury with this horrible Administration is tempered, very much tempered, by his nomination of Judge Roberts. Kleptocratic administrations come and go (eventually) but Chief Justices hang around forever. Judge Roberts will (I hope) prove to be a gift to the nation of lasting value.
     
  14. DTechBA

    DTechBA New Member

  15. Khan

    Khan New Member

    As much as I'm dying to talk about all this, I think we're still waiting for Bruce to green light these discussions.
     
  16. kansasbaptist

    kansasbaptist New Member

    I apologize.

    I wasn't aware Bruce put a "hold" on Katrina Politics.
    Did I miss that post?
     
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Whack-a-mole

    Yes, Bruce closed a bunch of threads that centered on the politics of Katrina. But like diploma mills, they just popped back up again under different names. :)

    -=Steve=-
     
  18. Re: Whack-a-mole

    I think that the reason is more along the lines of "unless you're living under a log" it is hard to have any sort of political discussion right now that involves the President without somehow spilling over into the most significant domestic issue of our age. While I agree that harsh and invective language that politicizes Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath specifically is not becoming to this board, I disagree that any mention of the event, even peripherally, is somehow disrespectful to the dead in the streets of New Orleans.

    Instead, honest and open debate is a cleansing act that in fact honors those who suffered the most.
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Was Katrina REALLY so significant?

    The press is saying that Katrina is the end of the Bush Era (whatever that may mean) and that it is the nadir of the Presidency etc. etc.

    Excuse me.

    Is it REALLY?

    There aren't, and likely won't be, the tens of thousands of dead that the Mayor of New Orleans has claimed. At most, a few hundred, each a gut wrenching tragedy but nothing on the scale of the 9/11 attack.

    No. What Katrina will really end up being about is the destruction of PROPERTY. People's homes, neighborhoods, businesses, and social connections.

    The country now faces the huge, but utterly performable, task of resettling those made homeless by Katrina. Half a million is no small group of displaced persons (or whatever we're calling them now) but it is WELL within the reasonable capability of our federal government.

    Dare I suggest that we will ALSO be dispersing a noisome ghetto? That with our help and the help of opur government, in the long run, many of these people and their children will be better off?

    Face it, folks; New Orleans wasn't just jazz and cajun cooking. It was an appalling slum, a place for society to stick LOTS of poor people and forget about them. Maybe NOW, we'll do what we should have done long ago; give these people the help and opportunities they and their children need to become part of the American Dream. And in someplace healthier than a swamp.

    I WANT these folks in my community! They will add diversity and spice!

    Let the flames begin!
     

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