College grad paralyzed after chiropractor visit

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  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Goodness, what on earth did the chiropractor do to her neck?! I visit the chiropractor for the last couple of years and the neck is the main part they work on, even with the short treatments of a few minutes, the main thing they do is "crack" the neck for me.

    How the heck did the chiropractor manage to dissect 4 arteries during that one visit is beyond belief. I wonder how they got their license! Link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/georgia-college-graduate-paralyzed-after-visit-to-the-chiropractor-family-says/ar-AAZxtjq
     
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  2. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Holistic medicine has its place and I go to the chiropractor for back adjustments. However, no one touches my neck. I would not even trust a MD to touch my neck.
     
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I've survived almost 80 years without a single visit to a chiropractor - and who knows, I might survive a few more. Over the years, I've heard / read other stories in the news - of the same kind reported here. My parents were gullible people - paid money to toe-pullers, cabbage-juice cure vendors and other quacks. (And they were city-folks - London before Canada!) There were a couple of chiropractors in that mix, so I classed 'em all pretty well the same. If I'm wrong - I'll stay wrong.

    Wake me up when chiropractors can cure cancer, fix ailing hearts etc. Till then, I'm a mainstream medicine guy all the way. Nothing but.
     
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  4. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    I have a great Chiropractor I visit occasionally. Really does help with mobility. I don't get neck twists for this reasons. It is rare but happens (and an MD warned me about the artery issue). There have been a few of these in Canada and the US.

    I have no patience for DCs who really wanted to be MDs and see themselves as Physicians (Chiropractic Physicians) and get into anti vaxx stuff and iridology, etc.
     
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  5. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    It's fascinating to watch several chiropractic schools expand into universities with broader program portfolios principally in health professions and sciences, including some by distance. Will these changes create social and economic headwinds that change the profession of chiropractic? We'll see!
     
  6. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

  7. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    I would not say it is "lacking" because the Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine learn on-hand manipulation during their osteopathic training.

    Johann, I know you said you only see MDs but here in America, a MD and DO serve the same role in healthcare. I am just stating this because I figure you would mention something. ;)
     
  8. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Yes, Osteopaths learn the full-spectrum of allopathic medicine and then add on their specific musculoskeletal training while earning their Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO).

    I honestly don't know what osteopathic techniques there are or the overlap between them. I was specifically referring to chiropractors, who hold a Doctor of Chiropractic (DC) degree, rather than the DO.
     
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  9. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    My brother is a DO and he learn similar manipulation techniques as DC do. He has adjusted my spine and my neck before. He is the only one I would trust touching my neck.
     
  10. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    One big difference between osteopathic manipulative medicine and chiropractic is that osteopathic manipulative medicine doesn't subscribe to subluxation theory.

    Johann could be treated by a DO in an Ontario medical practice or hospital without noticing! U.S.-trained DOs in Canada hold the same provincial medical licenses and practice rights as MDs and other international variants like MBBSes.
     
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  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    My guess is that the chiropractor is a quack that probably never graduated from chiropractor school. Twenty years or so ago there was a similar story in the news where a fellow tried to adjust someone's neck and broke their neck. That person never graduated from chiropractor school.

    I've been going to the chiropractor regularly for over thirty years. Mostly for my lower back but she also adjusts my neck.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I found an old Washington Post article that had this interesting paragraph.

    quote:
    A 2010 study of deaths after spinal manipulation found 26 published cases, and seven unpublished ones, mostly due to a tear, or “dissection of a vertebral artery,” and suggested that many more cases had not been reported. A 2007 survey of adverse effects published in medical journals between 2001 and 2006 found that “spinal manipulation, particularly when performed on the upper spine, is frequently associated with mild to moderate adverse effects. It can also result in serious complications such as vertebral artery dissection followed by stroke.” It noted that “survey data indicated that even serious adverse effects are rarely reported in the medical literature.” A 2013 survey of 43 studies conducted between 2001 and 2011 found 707 incidents of stroke associated with cervical spinal manipulation therapy, but the authors said that understanding such incidents was hampered by inadequate reporting.

    How safe are the vigorous neck manipulations done by chiropractors?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/how-safe-are-the-vigorous-neck-manipulations-done-by-chiropractors/2014/01/06/26870726-5cf7-11e3-bc56-c6ca94801fac_story.html
     
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I know that. Canada's own Osteopaths are not similarly qualified. And to someone else here, yes - if an American Osteopathic Dr. has qualified as an MD here - that's OK. He can treat me. But again, our Osteopaths are not equivalent.

    Anyway, we were talking about Chiropractors here. Not Osteopaths. I decry the tendency towards "holistic chiropractic." It's not surprising, that when I first got here on DI back in 2007, there were multiple stories of US Chiropractors who had obtained degree-mill PhDs, as a way to set themselves apart from others, hopefully attracting more patients and hence, more money. There was quite a crackdown on this from their Professional Association. Rightly so.

    It's a mystery to me why so many people need - or feel the need for - Chiropractic treatment? Are there THAT many bad backs around? Why would that be? Just asking - I really don't know. Haven't been troubled with it in 80 years, myself. And as for the neck manipulation, as I see it, that's crazy. And no - not all the injuries were from unlicensed individuals - at least, not the ones I've read of, including the one here. Years ago, I saw (on TV) a couple who were confirmed fans of chiropractic, taking their small baby in regularly and letting their chiropractor give him a routine neck manipulation. The parents thought regular chiropractic treatment would be as beneficial for their infant son as they thought it was for them. Wing nuts. Completely.

    I once saw a documentary on emerging "holistic chiropractic" and I was horrified. There were "experts" who held "practice-building" seminars with all-new ways to attract more patients and offer more services, for more and more money. Some of these people turn from being professionals to "pro-fee-sionals" - people who care for nothing except their sacred, inviolable fee.

    Nah - chiropractors got a bit of money from my parents. They'll get none from me. If those who treated my parents weren't dead now, I'd consider going after them to get that money back. But I'll let it go...

    If you find Chiropractors help you - stick with 'em, I guess. You do you. But we won't see each other in the waiting room.
     
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  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Just like in any profession, there are accidents.
    A coworkers wife went in to surgery and her heart was punctured in two areas.
    She passed away instantly.
    I have relatives in AZ who were helped by Gonstead Method types of chiropractic.
    Gonstead Method is different form other types of chiropractic because it focuses on the body’s structural foundation and intervertebral discs.
    It is more than just a “quick fix”.
    A Gonstead chiropractor looks at the whole person and searches for the source of a patient’s pain or discomfort by examining spinal misalignments, nerve dysfunction, foundational imbalance, and motion disturbances. Adjustments are then made to help restore natural spinal alignment and optimal movement. As the most complete method of biomechanical analysis, the Gonstead approach requires a high level of mastery, skill, and practice. Gonstead chiropractors employ sophisticated, in-depth techniques to analyze and uncover spinal, pelvic, and neurological effects that impact vertebral subluxation and a patient’s overall health. What Does A Gonstead Chiropractor Do? While all chiropractic, in general, is considered “hands on”, Gonstead chiropractors take their practice to the next level. Using a more complex spinal analysis system, Gonstead chiropractors examine the spine in the following ways:

    X-Ray Analysis enables Gonstead chiropractors to visualize and evaluate the entire structure of the spine including posture, joint and disc integrity, potential fractures, and misalignments.

    Visualization and observation of body movement help to cross-reference other findings.

    Instrumentation using a Nervoscope allows Gonstead chiropractors the ability to detect inflammation and nerve pressure up and down the spine.

    Motion Palpation involves feeling the spine while the patient moves and bends at various angles.

    Static Palpation includes checking the spine in a stationary position for any potential swelling, tenderness, or abnormal texture or tightness in the muscles or other tissues.
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    I'm not posting link, so not to advertise business.
     
  15. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    Chiropractic is about as scientifically valid as Reiki, palm reading, and acupuncture. Its history is sordid, bizarre, and filled with indefensible assumptions.
     
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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sounds ominously familiar - like more than one major organized religion.
     

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